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7up: Can this game be beaten?
4 decks
DOA, No DAS, S17, Insurance
Shuffling after 150 cards have been dealt.
Maximum=10 X Minimum
Video Blackjack!!! Inside casino, Title ??Vegas Star Blackjack??
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Don Schlesinger: Re: Can this game be beaten?
> 4 decks
> DOA, No DAS, S17, Insurance
> Shuffling after 150 cards have been dealt.
> Maximum=10 X Minimum
> Video Blackjack!!! Inside casino, Title ??Vegas Star
> Blackjack??
Of course it can be beaten ... handsomely. Unless, of course, you are cheated, which I would say would be almost a certainty.
Don
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ES: Sim
> Of course it can be beaten ... handsomely. Unless, of
> course, you are cheated, which I would say would be
> almost a certainty.
> Don
I did a short sim 250,000,000 hands with CV Data $1 Unit, 200 hands per hour, bettin $1 on TC < 2, $4 on 2 <= TC < 3,
$8 on 3 <= TC < 4 and $10 on TC >= 4.
The result is a win of $3.96 per hour.
I a MACHINE likely to CHEAT?
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Parker: Re: Sim
> I did a short sim 250,000,000 hands with CV Data $1
> Unit, 200 hands per hour, bettin $1 on TC $8 on 3 =
> 4.
> The result is a win of $3.96 per hour.
> I a MACHINE likely to CHEAT?
A machine will do whatever it is programmed to do.
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ES: Question Rephrased, Underlying Assumption
I am assuming that this machine is in a Las Vegas Casino. Will a casino risk its license by programming a machine to cheat? I think not.
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Don Schlesinger: Re: Question Rephrased, Underlying Assumption
> I am assuming that this machine is in a Las Vegas
> Casino. Will a casino risk its license by programming
> a machine to cheat? I think not.
Why would you scale your bets? This isn't a live game, where they're watching your play. You bet $1 when you don't have the edge and $10 when you do.
Don
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ES: Answer (Questions)
1. Are my saaumption, i.e. that this machine is in a Vegas casino and that a casino operator would not risk its license by programming a blackjack machine to cheat valid?
2. Shouldn't one bet in some proportion to one's advantage, .i.e bet 10 units with a big advantage, not with a smaller advantage?
> Why would you scale your bets? This isn't a live game,
> where they're watching your play. You bet $1 when you
> don't have the edge and $10 when you do.
> Don
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Bettie: Not in Vegas
A quick web search turns up the Australian company's web site and a pdf with all of the info on the machine, including rules. I guarantee this machine has not hit Vegas yet; it's a 5-seat player to one video screen dealer type of thing and I've never seen it. Kind of like BJ Blitz, if you've seen that.
Their website says they've made sales in Las Vegas, but it looks like only to Harrah's and only their "Rapid Roulette" game. They haven't established a US sales force yet, but are currently distributed in the States by ShuffleMaster. For more information, go to the company site below and click on the "International" link.
Bettie
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7up: The machine in my place is in Asia
And the casino used to cheat on slot machines.
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ES: Re: The machine in my place is in Asia
I withdraw my assumption. My question as to whether one who plays such machine, where he will not be cheated, should simply bet 1 when EV is negative and 10 when EV is positive, or, should bet in proportion to his positive EV remains, i.e. whether lack of heat suggests betting the same maximum 10 units on High-Low TCs of 2 and 10+?
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Eliot_Jacobson: Double check one thing
On most video blackjack the game will state that blackjack pays "2-to-1", but that really means a 1-to-1 payoff because you invest 1 coin for the pull. My guess is that this is the source of their edge (and you missed it).
Any video slot that operates like a known "card game" must give the true odds for each card appearing, the game cannot be fixed by the manufacturer (same with slots that roll dice or spin a simulated roulette wheel).
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Sonny: Payoff should say 2-for-1, not 2-to-1 *NM*
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Bettie: According to company, it's 3:2 *NM*
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