sunfighter: hi-lo with aces on the side

[Cacarulo]

> What if you stick with normal hi-lo indices
> for most plays, and only make the ace
> adjustment for those plays where you can
> expect significant gains? Maybe I'm missing
> something, but I thought that would be
> easier to use, since you only end up
> adjusting the primary count occassionally,
> as opposed to betting adjustment, which
> you'd have to do almost every round.

Correct. This is a better way of using a side count of aces.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Cacarulo]

when a playing adjustment arises. With the other method (betting adjustment) you have plenty of time at the end of the round.

Cac

[Toffler]

For 6D, S17, DOA, DAS, 5/6 pen
Assuming a $10,000 bank played optimally with 13.5% ROR:

Hi-Lo Il-18: Win/60 hands = $25.18; DI = 6.47

Hi-Lo w A side: Win/60 hands = $27.77; DI = 6.80

Toffler

[Don Schlesinger]

> For 6D, S17, DOA, DAS, 5/6 pen
> Assuming a $10,000 bank played optimally
> with 13.5% ROR:

> Hi-Lo Il-18: Win/60 hands = $25.18; DI =
> 6.47

> Hi-Lo w A side: Win/60 hands = $27.77; DI =
> 6.80

Just out of curiosity, why would you quote a win rate per 60 hands? Do you usually play full tables? Very bad idea.

Don

[Toffler]

I play DD game. I occassionally play 6D. I usually play heads up or 3 players max. I haven't played but once in past 4 years and I actually thought you got about 60 hands per hour at 6D. I just getting back into BJ. I play a lot of poker.

[Don Schlesinger]

> I play DD game. I occassionally play 6D. I
> usually play heads up or 3 players max.

With three players, you will get at least 100 hands per hour. Heads-up, you might get 200.

Don

[Cacarulo]

[sunfighter]

> For 6D, S17, DOA, DAS, 5/6 pen
> Assuming a $10,000 bank played optimally
> with 13.5% ROR:

> Hi-Lo Il-18: Win/60 hands = $25.18; DI =
> 6.47

> Hi-Lo w A side: Win/60 hands = $27.77; DI =
> 6.80
This is about 10% more?I think it is to much.
The other big players said it does not worth it.
Are you positive?
> Toffler

[Toffler]

Yes I'm positive.

If the bets were the same per count in both sims, then the diffrence would be less than 10% but ROR would drop for the Hi-Lo with Ace side count. The better count allows you to bet more, therefore win more and enjoy the same ROR for a given bankroll.

Toffler