> If the definition of "ploppy" is
> going to be a player with poor skills and a
> bad attitude, then what is the definition of
> an AP with an attitude. Food for thought.

> While I am all for doing anything legal to
> gain an edge (even if it is at the expense
> of non APs) becuase this is the way life
> works, I'm not for gloating around with an
> elitest attitude becuase I'm a better player
> thn them. Since the basketball analogy was
> brought up, what would you think if NBA
> players had a web ring where they laughed at
> us for throwing up airballs in our driveway
> and not being able to dunk a basketball. I
> understand there is a difference in that we
> are not entertainers as they are, but they
> still ultimately make our trade possible. A
> little positive PR is at least something to
> think about. I would bet that Grosjean
> regretted his "civilian" label
> when the opposition likely brought that
> comment in front of the jury. Its just
> another elitest term that would make the
> average person lack sympathy for our cause.

I don't see anything elitist about the "civilian" label - it does not imply anything inferior or derogatory, simply something to differentiate between advantage players and all the other people who are in the casino purely for entertainment, most of whom are completely oblivious to all the interactions going on between AP's and casino personnel.

It's no different than the police using the same term to describe someone who is neither a cop nor a criminal. They don't mean that civilians are inferior to cops - just that they aren't cops.

As for "ploppy," it is better than "the obnoxious asshole sitting at 1st base blowing cigarette smoke in my face," not to mention easier to type.

There are certainly advantage players with attitudes. Some of the most annoying people I have met in casinos have been other AP's. Fortunately, they are a minority within a minority, and thus very few in number.