Lee Aaron Blair: Biometrica screen shot on TV / web

[Lee Aaron Blair]

If you are in the Biometrica database your image may have been broadcast on Portland, OR television and internationally via the web. In the story Biometrica is described as "a database of 12,000 known cheaters," so consider yourself a cheater. The piece makes no reference to counting or other legal methods.

The text of the broadcast is here:
http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=67723

The video file, with considerably more and clearer screen shots, is here:
http://easylink.playstream.com/katu/...o_security.wvx

For those of us who have kicked this idiotic little casino's ass, it's a pretty amusing story. A bunch of baboons describing themselves as invincible. Right, guys: like the Titanic.

http://leeaaronblair.blogspot.com/

[Bettie]

> If you are in the Biometrica database your
> image may have been broadcast on Portland,
> OR television and internationally via the
> web. In the story Biometrica is described as
> "a database of 12,000 known
> cheaters," so consider yourself a
> cheater. The piece makes no reference to
> counting or other legal methods.

How absolutely appalling! I hope that someone finds their image and sues the news station for libel!

Bettie

[bfbagain]

Does this video link still work?

Has anyone been able to view this? I haven't, and am interested to see it. If anyone was able to view it, and hopefully save a copy to their hard disk it might very valuable to the community.

Thanks
bfb

[Lee Aaron Blair]

Yes.

I've also tried saving a copy of the video to my hard drive with no luck. I am pretty much PC-illiterate so if anyone succeeds in saving the file for posterity, please email me.

http://leeaaronblair.blogspot.com

[Sun Runner]

(yes .. the video link does work)

They do refer to Biometrica, they do refer to 12,000 'cheaters' in the database, and they do show pictures of individuals. Amazing. BTW, you don't have to see the video to see the 'cheaters.' Their pictures are on the printed web-site also.

Question ..

One of the Biometrica screenshots was a portion of an input field that captured data as to how the suspect 'cheats.'

All of the fixed response fields were obvious (bending, switching, daubing, etc) but one field was 'hole-carding.'

Is hole-carding, by law, (no moralizing now) cheating and punishable by legal action. Certainly daubing and switching are clear cut; but hole-carding .. illegal?

I thought not.

Thanks.

[Don Schlesinger]

[SOTSOG]

[Viktor Nacht]

Some of you people are a little slow on the uptake. Just kidding. But, we should honor the name he posts by because the sooner we allow "that other name" to fade and vanish, the better off we'll all be. There is a lot of politics, history, and so on behind this that I can't go into, but I really suggest we stick to one convention.

Good Holes(?),

V

[BJ1945]

[G Man]

I can hear but I can`t see the video....anyone can help me with it ?

[Kevin Blackwood]

I am certainly not an attorney, but I believe the Einbinder case provided the legal precedent for hole card play being legal.

> Question ..

> One of the Biometrica screenshots was a
> portion of an input field that captured data
> as to how the suspect 'cheats.'

> All of the fixed response fields were
> obvious (bending, switching, daubing, etc)
> but one field was 'hole-carding.'

> Is hole-carding, by law, (no moralizing now)
> cheating and punishable by legal action.
> Certainly daubing and switching are clear
> cut; but hole-carding .. illegal?

> I thought not.

> Thanks.

http://kevinblackwood.com

[Advantageray]

..something about using a partner too. I believe it is considered illegal if you use a partner to get a glimpse of the hole card. As it turns out, since very few places lift the top card anymore, most of the hole play opportunities are nill. It happens so infrequently I look at it more of a gimme house mistake (such as getting paid on a push) more so then an advantage play..

[Sonny]

> Is hole-carding, by law, (no moralizing now)
> cheating and punishable by legal action.
> Certainly daubing and switching are clear
> cut; but hole-carding .. illegal?

There is nothing wrong with catching a glimpse from a sloppy dealer, but if you use a glim or any sort of reflective "device" to see the card then I believe you would be breaking the law.

Can anyone confirm (or refute) this?

-Sonny-