Ouchez: Ace side question on DD game

[Ouchez]

I need the input and thoughts of the BJ greats on this stellar site in the following situation.

Using the great Hi-lo method with a side ace count, neutral, 50 cards left, 1 ace out, how would you bet? DD game.

Regards,
Ouchez.

[Don Schlesinger]

> I need the input and thoughts of the BJ
> greats on this stellar site in the following
> situation.

> Using the great Hi-lo method with a side ace
> count, neutral, 50 cards left, 1 ace out,
> how would you bet? DD game.

Is this a trick question?? The ace is already reckoned in the primary hi-lo count. You use a side count of aces to make strategy departures, not to adjust bets.

With one deck remaining in a two-deck game, and a zero count, you have no edge. Make the minimum bet.

Don

[Random Poster]

?? I thought the ace side count was used to increase betting efficiency, hence, you adjust your bets with the ace side, not adjust your strategy departures.

With 1 ace out in a 2 deck game, you have 3 EXTRA aces left unplayed, if you were using the Hi-Opt (ace neutral version of Hi-Lo), you should add 3 and then divide by the number of decks remaining. Use this number, then throw it away and go back to your non-ace reckoned count when you finish betting.

> Is this a trick question?? The ace is
> already reckoned in the primary hi-lo count.
> You use a side count of aces to make
> strategy departures, not to adjust bets.

> With one deck remaining in a two-deck game,
> and a zero count, you have no edge. Make the
> minimum bet.

> Don

[Don Schlesinger]

> ?? I thought the ace side count was used to
> increase betting efficiency, hence, you
> adjust your bets with the ace side, not
> adjust your strategy departures.\

That's for non-ace-reckoned counts. In hi-lo, we're already counting the ace in the primary (betting) count!!

> With 1 ace out in a 2 deck game, you have 3
> EXTRA aces left unplayed, if you were using
> the Hi-Opt (ace neutral version of Hi-Lo),
> you should add 3 and then divide by the
> number of decks remaining. Use this number,
> then throw it away and go back to your
> non-ace reckoned count when you finish
> betting.

But, we're not discussing Hi-Opt; we're discussing hi-lo.

Don

[Random Poster]

Ouchez asked about ace-side count, so I assumed maybe he made a mistake, since hi-lo was, as you said, an ace-reckoned count. That said, I thought it was appropriate to mention that the ace-side count serves to better betting efficiency. I was mistaken.

Don, don't take this the wrong way, but please reconsider using the !!'s since it conveys an emphatic tone, similar to yelling, at least to me.

--RP

> That's for non-ace-reckoned counts. In
> hi-lo, we're already counting the ace in the
> primary (betting) count!!

> But, we're not discussing Hi-Opt; we're
> discussing hi-lo.

> Don

[Don Schlesinger]

> Don, don't take this the wrong way, but
> please reconsider using the !!'s since it
> conveys an emphatic tone, similar to
> yelling, at least to me.

Sorry, no yelling (usually capital letters, in cyberspace) intended. Just pointing out, rather strongly, that we are already counting the ace for betting, and we mustn't make the mistake of double-counting.

The proofreaders of BJA3 tell me I use exclamation points too freely. :-)

Don

[CW]

accounted for A. But isn't 7 Aces at the left one deck warrant a higher bet even at true zero considering Aces are better than 10s?

[Sun Runner]

If you can't take a good dose of [ !! ] from DS, you need a little thicker skin.

I've been [ !! ]'ed so many times it don't even hurt no more.

I just translate his [ !! ] as .. "you moron" .. and move on.

It's all good. When it comes to BJ, I'm still in junior high anyway; why should the teachers act any different.

[SOTSOG]

Ever try to put a dollar value on those !! ?

A ! from Don could be considered priceless.

[Parker]

> accounted for A. But isn't 7 Aces at the
> left one deck warrant a higher bet even at
> true zero considering Aces are better than
> 10s?

Remember, the fact that we are at a 0 TC while counting the aces w/Hi-Lo means that the remainder of the pack is actually deficient in tens. You need both to make a blackjack, which is the main reason the ace is so valuable.

Also, the ace is valuable to us, but we have no guarantee that we will get the ace. It is also more valuable to the dealer than a ten since it is also a low card, and it in effect gives the dealer two shots at making a hand.

[Don Schlesinger]

> Ever try to put a dollar value on those !! ?

> A ! from Don could be considered priceless.

Damn, I'd better be more careful with how I dole out those !! in the future. I'm really sorry if people take them in the wrong spirit. They're not meant to offend at all. No one has ever had any trouble trying to figure out when I truly wanted to insult him. :-)

Don

[Sun Runner]

> I'm really sorry if people take them in the wrong spirit.
> They're not meant to offend at all.

Just keep teaching; and thanks !!