Last night against the shoe(h17das)I reached a TC of +12. Dealer deals me a pair of 2's against a 7 .I split and get a 3 and 10 on one hand for a total of 15,I hit and bust. The other hand I bust also. I dont use index numbers this high and was a bit gaffed if I actually made the correct play?
Thanks,
Brick
> Last night against the shoe(h17das)I reached
> a TC of +12. Dealer deals me a pair of 2's
> against a 7 .I split and get a 3 and 10 on
> one hand for a total of 15,I hit and bust.
> The other hand I bust also. I dont use index
> numbers this high and was a bit gaffed if I
> actually made the correct play?
> Thanks,
> Brick
You did the right thing, even thought it didn't work out. As far as I know, because of the DAS there isn't a ceiling on that index number.
Good Luck
hard18
Going one step further, standing on the 15 to the 7 requires a very large number, my guess is way above the +12. I'd say you did the right thing.
It occured to me in the heat of a session that my 15 verses 7 index number is probably lower due to dealer busting more often on Hit17, but my guess is it is still much higher than a 12TC.
Brick
> Going one step further, standing on the 15
> to the 7 requires a very large number, my
> guess is way above the +12. I'd say you did
> the right thing.
TC +8, you should STAND, sorry don't know if it would have changed the result.
I get an index of +11 for HiLo
> I get an index of +11 for HiLo
I thought there was a good chance I made the wrong call. If I would have stayed the dealer would have busted. Needless to say I had max bets out on the board when I lost. Still had a wonderful session though. This is one play and index # I dont think I'll ever forget and be prepared for next time. Does a TC over 11 also hold true for dealers 8 and 9?
Thanks
Brick
I get:
15v7 +11
15v8 +10
15v9 +8
> I get:
> 15v7 +11
> 15v8 +10
> 15v9 +8
but there are times when all those years of flipping 150+ hand-written flashcards night after night until 2am comes in handy.
Of course, we weren't smart enough to realize it was pretty much a waste of time.
What I wouldn't have given for CVDrills, or the I18...
Learning negative index numbers are a waste of time,however if I were you I'd give the high index numbers a little more respect since we have max bets on the board everytime they come up. For starters a very easy index(and important?) number to remember and does not require any special memory or brain power is dont split 8's against dealer 10 at a tc of 8. Very simple saying goes "8 for 8's" anyone could memorize this with no effort or study. While this play is infrequent it is still very beneficial to use. It cuts down on variance and is a powerful move during the end game.
Brick
> but there are times when all those years of
> flipping 150+ hand-written flashcards night
> after night until 2am comes in handy.
> Of course, we weren't smart enough to
> realize it was pretty much a waste of time.
> What I wouldn't have given for CVDrills, or
> the I18...
> Learning negative index numbers are a waste
> of time,however if I were you I'd give the
> high index numbers a little more respect
> since we have max bets on the board
> everytime they come up. For starters a very
> easy index(and important?) number to
> remember and does not require any special
> memory or brain power is dont split 8's
> against dealer 10 at a tc of 8. Very simple
> saying goes "8 for 8's" anyone
> could memorize this with no effort or study.
> While this play is infrequent it is still
> very beneficial to use. It cuts down on
> variance and is a powerful move during the
> end game.
> Brick
And just think of the cover opportunity.
Another odd splitting play (although not seen as frequently as 8's vs. 10) is to split 9's vs. Ace with a large bet out. I'm not sure if it actually turns a losing hand of 18 into a winner. (Perhaps Norm or Don will chime in here.) In any case, though, it gets smiles from the pit and groans from fellow players.
> Another odd splitting play (although not
> seen as frequently as 8's vs. 10) is to
> split 9's vs. Ace with a large bet out. I'm
> not sure if it actually turns a losing hand
> of 18 into a winner. (Perhaps Norm or Don
> will chime in here.)
From +3 to about +10 (hi-lo) splitting simply loses less than standing. Above +10, splitting actually begins to have positive e.v.
Don
That's a good play I was never aware of. I thank you and Dancer for bringing it up. Is the index for split 9/9 verse ace at TC3 for 6 decks(h17 das)also?
Do you suggest a split at 3TC(9/9v ace)and above even though variance will increase or maybe a risk adverse play would be a better strategy?
thanks,
Brick
> From +3 to about +10 (hi-lo) splitting
> simply loses less than standing. Above +10,
> splitting actually begins to have positive
> e.v.
> Don
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