Hello.
I tryed to get statistics of leaving shoe when you play a backcounting game. I took 8-decks choe with 80% pen as a sample. At seems, to leave the game when TC becames less then -1 is more profitable than to wait a good TC (more than +1)
in this shoe.
Iglad to hear another apinions about this subject.
Thanks.
If you are backcounting, the idea is only to play in positive shoes. So you basically are standing around pretenting to check out the cocktail watiresses of the roulette wheel or whatever while counting down the shoe. You would enter the shoe whenever you have an advantage (TC of +1).
You will leave the shoe when you no longer have an advantage (TC < +1).
The only reason for adjusting your play away from these parameters is for cover purposes. To play optimally you should still play with a spread based on the TC.
I don't backcount often, but when I do, I usually just flat-bet since it draws less attention.
I hope I've answered your question, because I'm not sure that I understood it correctly.
Ed
> Hello.
> I tryed to get statistics of leaving shoe
> when you play a backcounting game. I took
> 8-decks choe with 80% pen as a sample. At
> seems, to leave the game when TC becames
> less then -1 is more profitable than to wait
> a good TC (more than +1)
> in this shoe.
> Iglad to hear another apinions about this
> subject.
> Thanks.
For me it depends on the shoe.
If we are still in the first 50% of the shoe, I'll stick around down to TC-1. I think between -1 and +1 it's pretty much a push anyway and there is still time to make a decent shoe out of the thing. If it then continues below TC-1, I try and get out.
If it is later in the shoe, last 50%, and it hits TC-1, I'm usually looking to get out immediately.
If it is WAY late in the shoe, and the TC-1, I'll hang in, flat bet, and try to limp on out to the end. I'll then flat bet off the top of the new shoe -and hope something good materializes quickly -especially if I was fortunate enough to get the cut card and felt like I got a good read on the shuffle.
> If you are backcounting, the idea is only to
> play in positive shoes. So you basically are
> standing around pretenting to check out the
> cocktail watiresses of the roulette wheel or
> whatever while counting down the shoe. You
> would enter the shoe whenever you have an
> advantage (TC of +1).
> You will leave the shoe when you no longer
> have an advantage (TC The only reason for
> adjusting your play away from these
> parameters is for cover purposes. To play
> optimally you should still play with a
> spread based on the TC.
> I don't backcount often, but when I do, I
> usually just flat-bet since it draws less
> attention.
> I hope I've answered your question, because
> I'm not sure that I understood it correctly.
> Ed
I have a specialized technique for playing the shoe games. I play a new shoe tete a tete with the dealer. I play up to 1.5 decks until I get a TC of +7 or better. When this happens, I spread to two hands for the maximum allowed and continue this way until the TC subsides to +1 or worse-then I leave the table. Naturally this situation doesn't occur very often but I've made a lot of money doing it.
I wrote my own simulation and got a following results for 8 decks, 80% pen, 3 additional players:
If you are just observing a shoe game and betting on TC>=2 it happens about 8.5% of time.
If you are leaving a shoe in following conditions
- after one deck played Running Count is between
-3 and -5
- TC <= -2 at any moment
you rich TC>=2 in 12% of time.
Sample size of simulation was 5000000 shoes.
> I play a new shoe tete a
> tete with the dealer. I play up to 1.5 decks
> until I get a TC of +7 or better. When this
> happens, I spread to two hands for the
> maximum allowed and continue this way until
> the TC subsides to +1 or worse-then I leave
> the table.
What do you do after passing 1.5 decks and the TC is only +1?
> I tryed to get statistics of leaving shoe
> when you play a backcounting game. I took
> 8-decks choe with 80% pen as a sample. At
> seems, to leave the game when TC becames
> less then -1 is more profitable than to wait
> a good TC (more than +1)
> in this shoe.
> Iglad to hear another apinions about this
> subject.
> Thanks.
This question in answered in more detail than you could ever hope for in the current Cahpter 12 of BJA2, plus the Fall 2000 issue of BJF. In BJA3, the two sections will be together in what will be the new Chapter 13, Part I.
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