4legsgood2legsbad: playing efficiency

[4legsgood2legsbad]

My wife and I have learned a level 2 count and are able to handle it while interacting with casino personnel.

I've read that the maximum playing efficiency is .7 while the current system I use has a .67

Could someone please tell me or direct me to where I could find the increase in a players advantage going from .67 to .7 in a single and double deck game.(I imagine table rules may affect it but I'm really looking for the difference for an average vegas game.)

We're frequent, yet recreational players, who've started real play only recently and I'd like to find a way to increase my chances without increasing my bets as much and can handle the count that takes me to .7

Also, is there any site that would help me create some playing indexes for the count.

thank you in advance.

[Dancer]

> My wife and I have learned a level 2 count
> and are able to handle it while interacting
> with casino personnel.

> I've read that the maximum playing
> efficiency is .7 while the current system I
> use has a .67

> Could someone please tell me or direct me to
> where I could find the increase in a players
> advantage going from .67 to .7 in a single
> and double deck game.(I imagine table rules
> may affect it but I'm really looking for the
> difference for an average vegas game.)

> We're frequent, yet recreational players,
> who've started real play only recently and
> I'd like to find a way to increase my
> chances without increasing my bets as much
> and can handle the count that takes me to .7

> Also, is there any site that would help me
> create some playing indexes for the count.

> thank you in advance.

I think you've got a misguided view of what PE will do for your winrate. You're probably talking about the Uston APC that has a PE of just under .7. It's a level 3 count. If you're really interested, you can get the system by buying "Million Dollar Blackjack" by Ken Uston -- but keep reading.

According to the comprehensive study Don S. did for Blackjack Attack, its winrate is actually less than Hi-Opt II and Omega II for the vast majority of games.

BE contributes far, far more to your overall winrate. In short, going for a PE higher than .67 is a waste of time. PE becomes only slightly more important in very deeply dealt pitch games. They don't exist in the real world. And even if they did, you wouldn't notice any difference with such a small increase in PE.

If you like, you can even go wild and try multi-parameter counts that have PE's of well over .8. Again, a huge time waster.

If you want to make a real, although small, increase in your winrate, try adjusting your insurance count for aces. It works especially well for Hi-Opt II. That will make your current system stronger than the Uston APC without changing a thing.

[Brick]

You would probably be better off keeping the same count and just learn more index numbers.

.67 is a damn good PE.. so I'd just concentrate on mastering your count and making optimal bets. This is much more important than the .3 or so you'll gain by converting to a more complicated system.

> My wife and I have learned a level 2 count
> and are able to handle it while interacting
> with casino personnel.

> I've read that the maximum playing
> efficiency is .7 while the current system I
> use has a .67

> Could someone please tell me or direct me to
> where I could find the increase in a players
> advantage going from .67 to .7 in a single
> and double deck game.(I imagine table rules
> may affect it but I'm really looking for the
> difference for an average vegas game.)

> We're frequent, yet recreational players,
> who've started real play only recently and
> I'd like to find a way to increase my
> chances without increasing my bets as much
> and can handle the count that takes me to .7

> Also, is there any site that would help me
> create some playing indexes for the count.

> thank you in advance.

[Parker]

> My wife and I have learned a level 2 count
> and are able to handle it while interacting
> with casino personnel.

> I've read that the maximum playing
> efficiency is .7 while the current system I
> use has a .67

> Could someone please tell me or direct me to
> where I could find the increase in a players
> advantage going from .67 to .7 in a single
> and double deck game.(I imagine table rules
> may affect it but I'm really looking for the
> difference for an average vegas game.)

> We're frequent, yet recreational players,
> who've started real play only recently and
> I'd like to find a way to increase my
> chances without increasing my bets as much
> and can handle the count that takes me to .7

> Also, is there any site that would help me
> create some playing indexes for the count.

> thank you in advance.

Dancer and Brick have given you good advice, IMHO. The gain of .03 in PE is simply not worth chasing after, especially in today's games where single or double deck penetration in excess of 75% (or even reaching that figure) is all but unheard of.

You can gain many times that (and without increasing your spread) simply by devising creative ways to leave the game as often as possible when the count goes negative.

If you memorize index numbers easily, you might consider a set of indices custom-tailored to the specific game and penetration you plan on playing. You can generate these with software such as CVData or SBA. You can find out more about these programs in the online store.

[4legsgood2legsbad]

The kind of advice I was looking for.

I think after reading everything I'll stick with what we're doing, add the ace side count, and just make damn sure we're making the right plays.

We almost always leave the table on a negative count.

[Sonny]

...play faster!

Also, there are numerous ways to use your "significant other" as a teammate. If one of you is willing to "play it dumb" at the tables, you can get away with bigger bet spreads across two spots, and more natural Wonging. You can even try variations of the BP approach. You could use her spot for card eating, or spread to uneven bets on two hands. All of this can be great camouflage as well!

There are millions of ways to increase your edge and decrease your fluctuation by playing with a partner. Just make sure you don't sit there raising your bets in unison!

-Sonny-

[winchem21]

The best one can hope for using multiparameter counts are about a 10-15% increase in advantage--and that only applies for deeply dealt single deck situations...

Much easier to win more money by playing faster;a number of ideas have been published on how to do this:
-always bet pairs of chips to speed 3/2 payoffs
-don't use different color chips
-get next bet out quickly (use running count setpoints
-be able to quickly make playing decisions
-find fast dealers
-play at least two hands at a time in single deck
-play with no more than one or two other players..
-Buy CV software and practice playing faster--you should be able to get well over 300 hands per hour with no mistakes

Good cards,

wc21

> My wife and I have learned a level 2 count
> and are able to handle it while interacting
> with casino personnel.

> I've read that the maximum playing
> efficiency is .7 while the current system I
> use has a .67

> Could someone please tell me or direct me to
> where I could find the increase in a players
> advantage going from .67 to .7 in a single
> and double deck game.(I imagine table rules
> may affect it but I'm really looking for the
> difference for an average vegas game.)

> We're frequent, yet recreational players,
> who've started real play only recently and
> I'd like to find a way to increase my
> chances without increasing my bets as much
> and can handle the count that takes me to .7

> Also, is there any site that would help me
> create some playing indexes for the count.

> thank you in advance.