suicyco maniac: ace coupon question

[suicyco maniac]

My question concerns an ace coupon. When you play this coupon it counts as an ace and you are only dealt one card. Wongs books say an ace is worth 50.5% and Grossjeans says an ace coupon is worth slightly less. Both of their books are for a different set of rules. The rules at this casino are 6 deck deal 5 doa no rsa also one card only per split ace. MY REAL QUESTION IS...... if I get to keep my coupon on a push and play it again does my advantage go up and if so by how much ? The limit is 50 and I can play 2 per day.

[Molly Shannon]

I don't think Grossjean's book says that the Ace coupon is worth less than 50.5%. I don't have the book in front of me, though. I heard that there will be an article in the next BJF that will address all this.

[Rob McGarvey]

Since your limit is $50 on the free Ace, I would not worry about the +EV of 50% or less%. I would try to put it on the table when the true count is + hoping that you get a 10 to go with that Ace.

> My question concerns an ace coupon. When you
> play this coupon it counts as an ace and you
> are only dealt one card. Wongs books say an
> ace is worth 50.5% and Grossjeans says an
> ace coupon is worth slightly less. Both of
> their books are for a different set of
> rules. The rules at this casino are 6 deck
> deal 5 doa no rsa also one card only per
> split ace. MY REAL QUESTION IS...... if I
> get to keep my coupon on a push and play it
> again does my advantage go up and if so by
> how much ? The limit is 50 and I can play 2
> per day.

[suicyco maniac]

I know it shouldn't make a big impact on my total win but, I am curious none the less. I play a lot of coupons in addition to counting and I have also been paying strangers to play them for me. It just seems like I'm way over expected value after playing a couple hundred of these coupons. THANKS TO ANY RESPONES IN ADVANCE.

> Since your limit is $50 on the free Ace, I
> would not worry about the +EV of 50% or
> less%. I would try to put it on the table
> when the true count is + hoping that you get
> a 10 to go with that Ace.

[Steve Jacobs]

> My question concerns an ace coupon. When you
> play this coupon it counts as an ace and you
> are only dealt one card. Wongs books say an
> ace is worth 50.5% and Grossjeans says an
> ace coupon is worth slightly less. Both of
> their books are for a different set of
> rules. The rules at this casino are 6 deck
> deal 5 doa no rsa also one card only per
> split ace. MY REAL QUESTION IS...... if I
> get to keep my coupon on a push and play it
> again does my advantage go up and if so by
> how much ? The limit is 50 and I can play 2
> per day.

The 50% figure assumes you are allowed to hit/double/split after receiving your second card. If you are dealt only one card and must stand, then the coupon gives an edge of about +20%. Still much better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick :-)

[suicyco maniac]

> The 50% figure assumes you are allowed to
> hit/double/split after receiving your second
> card. If you are dealt only one card and
> must stand, then the coupon gives an edge of
> about +20%. Still much better than a poke in
> the eye with a sharp stick :-)
No No No No No I can double or split one time but no one has answered my question. HOW MUCH DOES MY ADVANTAGE GO UP IF I GET TO KEEP MY COUPON ON A PUSH????????? This is more out of curiosity now because they just changed the rule and now they take my coupon on a push. I suspect they are geting hit harder then they figured..