williwong21: Advice and eating up good cards

[williwong21]

Sometimes I'm in a position to persuade the players to make the wrong move using up less cards at high counts.Would you consider it wrong to do this?I often volunteer imformation during the negative counts when they can split but I'm hesitant to give them intentionally wrong imfo that would benefit me.I usually don't comment but when you know the cut card's coming out any card,I'll tell the anchor to stay on his 12 against 2,3.But I can't seem to tell him to stay on his 8's.All this with floor playing no roll of course.Willi.

[Sun Runner]

At the risk of sounding holier than thou ..
you've stopped being an advantage player and have become a hustler.

You don't cheat the casino because it's a felony.
You don't mind cheating another card player because their is no penalty. What does that say about your moral code?

Granted, you set down at a poker table, it's anything goes; the biggest chump loses; that's the rule.

But here is a stiff on the BJ table, percieving you to know what's going on, and you cheat him.

I've used a lot of personal pronouns and I really don't mean to be so specific. But I could not do it. What I could do is just set there and hope he makes a bad play.

One thing's for sure -these responses should be interesting!

SR

[P'Bo]

I wouldnt give any advice on high counts as from what i can see most ploppies play consevatively anyway ie standing to much.You could advise them not to split in a high count even though they should,but only if they ask.
I think it is better not to advise at all than to risk giving the wrong advice(even though it may be right)
The most annoying people at a table are the ones who tell everyone else how to play a hand.
Better to be supportive of the ploppies no matter how they play the hands.
If they do something crazy and win say "graet move" if they do something crazy and lose say "unlucky".
Anyway how someone else plays has no effect on your win rate.

[Barker]

You are asking for advice, suppose the posters gave you intentionally damaging advice.Agree with Sun Runner only can think of some stronger words.BB.

[Parker]

> You are asking for advice, suppose the
> posters gave you intentionally damaging
> advice.Agree with Sun Runner only can think
> of some stronger words.BB.

Not really a good analogy, since any bad advice posted here would immediately draw several "corrections" from the regular posters, not to mention your congenial host. :-)

I suppose one could make the argument that anyone stupid enough to follow advice from a stranger at the table deserves whatever happens to them.

However, I too agree with Sun Runner. Deliberately giving incorrect advice to another player in order to improve your own chances "crosses the line" in my book.

I generally shy away from giving advice at all. No point in displaying your level of skill. Besides, if the player doesn't win, he/she is likely to blame you, and if he/she does, more questions are likely to follow. Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

However, I'm not above dispensing pearls of wisdom to the table in general, such as "A face follows an ace," "Color follows color," or "A deuce is the dealer's ace," but this is more to impress the pit with my brilliance than the other players.

Nice handle, BTW. :-)

[Norm Wattenberger]

it could be argued that, as with Poker or the track, you are playing against the other players as well as the house. After all, if all the other players played extremely badly, the casino could loosen the rules and still take its cut. If they were all advantage players, the game would disappear. Even at Video Poker, you are playing against the other players. You are taking some of the money they put in. If they all knew how to play well, the payout tables would be reduced. An advantage player must play better relative to the other players. If this makes you squeamish, consider that when you are Wonging, you are harming other players. Personally, I could not give outright bad advice. I avoid giving advice at all. When pushed, I might say something like 'the book says (fill in BS play); but it never works for me.'

[Dreamer]

You should hear some of the "perls of wisdom" I come out with when playing ;-)
All picked up and stored over the years while playing with my fellow players.
I once played with somebody who wanted me to stand
on 10! because I would take the dealers "bust card"
Even I couldn`t pull that one off with a straight face!

My favorite persona is the wild and crazy gambler as its hard to pull off, never making the same bet twice in single deck.
This also has wonderful effect of making players leave the game!

D.

> Not really a good analogy, since any bad
> advice posted here would immediately draw
> several "corrections" from the
> regular posters, not to mention your
> congenial host. :-)

> I suppose one could make the argument that
> anyone stupid enough to follow advice from a
> stranger at the table deserves whatever
> happens to them.

> However, I too agree with Sun Runner.
> Deliberately giving incorrect advice to
> another player in order to improve your own
> chances "crosses the line" in my
> book.

> I generally shy away from giving advice at
> all. No point in displaying your level of
> skill. Besides, if the player doesn't win,
> he/she is likely to blame you, and if he/she
> does, more questions are likely to follow.
> Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

> However, I'm not above dispensing pearls of
> wisdom to the table in general, such as
> "A face follows an ace,"
> "Color follows color," or "A
> deuce is the dealer's ace," but this is
> more to impress the pit with my brilliance
> than the other players.

> Nice handle, BTW. :-)