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Don Schlesinger: Re: Counting more cards
> I didn't mean to take a swipe at anyone.
> Just pointing out that there is a big
> difference between a computer playing with
> an advantage at a 6 deck game and a real
> person with real emotions making those large
> bets and going through the huge swings that
> will occur.
You know the old saying: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Why do you think Chapter One of BJA is what it is. We get the unpleasantness out in the open, right upfront. One big hand can seal your fate for an entire trip. And, life goes on.
> 6 deck games were designed by
> the casino not to make counting
> "harder" but to create a
> rollercoaster with a player's bankroll, by
> forcing the player to bet much more money in
> those positive counts to make up for the
> lesser number of situations where the player
> will have this advantage.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and the above is certainly a by-product of the shoe game, but, historically, it really wasn't the motivation for the creation of the multi-deck games. They were created to make counting less profitable, with respect to single-deck, both by making it harder to get an advantage and by creating an immediate off-the-top half a percent casino edge that previously had not existed.
> Card counting is based on the premise that,
> over the long run, the remainder of the
> cards in the deck are evenly distributed.
Correct.
> Regardless of one's betting strategy, after
> the cards are dealt the priority of the
> player is to make the best decision possible
> with what he is dealt.
Somewhat silly argument, if, BEFORE you make that play, you have the WRONG bet out, don't you think? You say "to-MAY-to, and I say to-MAH-to"! :-)
> The card counting system that works for YOU
> is the one that makes YOU money, is easy for
> YOU to use, and is comfortable for YOU to
> use while playing "under fire" in
> the casino.
I can't imagine a case where that would be true for Silver Fox, but NOT for hi-lo!
> One can't say one system is
> "better" than the other for
> everyone, but the one that is best for any
> one person is the one they should use.
Absolutely. Just trying to discuss how one goes about measuring "best," because, sooner or later, no matter what, you have to make a decision based on certain parameters.
Don
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Ken Fuchs: Re: Counting more cards
> Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and
> the above is certainly a by-product of the
> shoe game, but, historically, it really
> wasn't the motivation for the creation of
> the multi-deck games. They were created to
> make counting less profitable, with respect
> to single-deck, both by making it harder to
> get an advantage and by creating an
> immediate off-the-top half a percent casino
> edge that previously had not existed.
Although Don implied no order of preference for casinos to favor more decks, I would like to suggest one...
1) The extra casino edge was the most important driver in using more deck.
2) The reduction in card counter advantage was nice by-product.
Regards,
-Ken Fuchs
p.s. Nice use of you're and your in the same sentence. Yo da man!
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Don Schlesinger: Re: Counting more cards
> p.s. Nice use of you're and your in the same
> sentence. Yo da man!
If the person who wrote the below comment, in his "Statement of Policies," on Don's Domain, didn't get that right, it would be a sad, sad state of affairs! :-)
Don
and "you're" ("you are"), which you wouldn't spell incorrectly ("your") if only you would pronounce it correctly! It's "yoor" (rhymes with "sure") and not "yore" (rhymes with "bore").
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Ken Fuchs: more on "you're"
> and "you're" ("you
> are"), which you wouldn't spell
> incorrectly ("your") if only you
> would pronounce it correctly! It's
> "yoor" (rhymes with "sure")
I would say that "you're" rhymes with "sewer". The version that rhymes with "sure" is more slang sounding, like "Yer a poor talker". They are most likely both correct as it may just be a matter of one's particular dialect.
-Ken
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Wildcard: Re: more on "your"
> I would say that "you're" rhymes
> with "sewer". The version that
> rhymes with "sure" is more slang
> sounding, like "Yer a poor
> talker". They are most likely both
> correct as it may just be a matter of one's
> particular dialect.
> -Ken
You will not have to travel too far south of the Tennessee border to encounter "yourins" (could be yourens). This abomination actually means "yours".
"Fixin to"; "hissie fit"; "mess"; "cattywumpus";
"be back directly"; "gimmie sugar"; "by and by"; "pot likker"; "pert near"; and "a right far piece". These are for another day.
Only in the south could you learn or know the difference between a redneck, a good ol' boy, and po' white trash.
How I long for my beloved New England where English is English! Pahk, cah, wicked good, youse guys, get out, had a nutty, and all those crystal clear Bostonian wonders that make New England one of the greatest places on earth. ;-)
Gee, I almost forgot lobstahs, steamahs and the SOX.
Regards,
Wildcard
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Guy from the Southwest
Guest
Guy from the Southwest: Re: more on "you're"
You're correct. Merriam Webster, in its authoritative guidelines for the word community, says they're pronounced exactly the same, although one additional option is approved for the contraction, probably in deference to the dialect that antagonizes Wildcard.
I dunno, though, about the propriety of complimenting simple literacy. Reminds me of a recent conversation with a customer who commended me for a reputation of being "honest and honorable" in business dealings.
I thanked her for the comment, but acknowledged my confusion, in that I thought "honest and honorable behavior" was the minimum acceptable standard, and therefore not deserving of bouquets. Sort of like praising someone for not stealing hubcaps.
Shouldn't the same benchmark apply to the correct use of our language, or is that asking too much in an age which (for obvious reasons) places a premium on number sense? Granted, nearly all of us make a few mistakes, but "you're and "your" are basic strategy plays.
'Course this is another subject, but some might take issue with Wildcard's claim that in New England, "English is English." Incidentally, Wild, I think you overlooked (heaven help us) "peppas," as in "sausage and ..."
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Don Schlesinger: Re: more on "you're"
> I would say that "you're" rhymes
> with "sewer".
No, I beg to differ. "Sewer" is a two-syllable word, and the phonetic pronunciation, indicated in my American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, is quite different from the one for the one-syllable "you're," which is given exactly the same pronunciation (save the initial consonant) as "sure."
> The version that
> rhymes with "sure" is more slang
> sounding, like "Yer a poor
> talker".
That's because you don't pronounce "sure" correctly!! :-) Then again, people in Chicago SURE do TAWK funny! :-)
> They are most likely both
> correct as it may just be a matter of one's
> particular dialect.
You can call pronunciation "correct" by saying that, somewhere in the U.S., someone talks like that, but I prefer to go to a more "neutral" arbiter, such as a reputable dictionary. After all, my dictionary doesn't say to pronounce "oil" "all," but go tell that to someone in Alabama! :-)
Don
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Wildcard: Re: more on "you're"
> You're correct. Merriam Webster, in its
> authoritative guidelines for the word
> community, says they're pronounced exactly
> the same, although one additional option is
> approved for the contraction, probably in
> deference to the dialect that antagonizes
> Wildcard.
> I dunno, though, about the propriety of
> complimenting simple literacy. Reminds me of
> a recent conversation with a customer who
> commended me for a reputation of being
> "honest and honorable" in business
> dealings.
> I thanked her for the comment, but
> acknowledged my confusion, in that I thought
> "honest and honorable behavior"
> was the minimum acceptable standard, and
> therefore not deserving of bouquets. Sort of
> like praising someone for not stealing
> hubcaps.
> Shouldn't the same benchmark apply to the
> correct use of our language, or is that
> asking too much in an age which (for obvious
> reasons) places a premium on number sense?
> Granted, nearly all of us make a few
> mistakes, but "you're and
> "your" are basic strategy plays.
> 'Course this is another subject, but some
> might take issue with Wildcard's claim that
> in New England, "English is
> English." Incidentally, Wild, I think
> you overlooked (heaven help us)
> "peppas," as in "sausage and
> ..."
Actually I didn't want to press the thread too much. New England is indeed a unique and wonderful place...especially this time of year. May you one day enjoy the wonders of Fenway Pahk while the Sox are playing the Yankees. The Cape or Down East Maine will do as well. NH and VT are jewels as well. We all manage to understand each other...Mainers are a stretch with "ay yuh" and a few other goodies.
Did you know that the summit of Mount Washington, in NH (6,288 ft) is not only the highest point in New England, but if you could draw a straight line, you'd be at the surface of Lake Tahoe.
Have a great Summer!
Regards,
Wildcard
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Guy from the Southwest
Guest
Guy from the Southwest: Re: more on "you're"
No argument there, WC.
And you don?t have to sell me on the attributes of New England. Years ago, I was fortunate to travel there often. Summers were okay, but as a lifelong Southerner I was captivated by the area?s autumn foliage, which I still consider one of the most dramatic sights I?ve seen. In fact, I?ve observed Mt. Washington from the cockpit of a biplane in early October. Not bad a?tall.
All things considered, New England?s magnificent by any measure, and far more attractive (in a geographic sense) than where I grew up. (In fairness, the same probably could be said of Kandahar.) Given the right circumstances, I hope to go back someday. Oddly (or perhaps not), I?ve developed a compulsion to visit Gloucester. In fact, I have a recurring notion of flying there, buying a motorcycle, knocking around the area until I?m tired of it, and then returning to the Southwest on two wheels. With any luck at all, common sense will prevail.
Aside from all that, the fact remains that you guys talk funny. Now, that?s no indictment, because some think I do, too. Those who are well-informed, however, understand that the indisputable fount of TRUE English is located west of the Mississippi, south of Kansas, and east of New Mexico. Not to put too fine a point on it.
Actually, as one who still travels a lot and meets many people, I occasionally enjoy trying to override my default accent, which is as distinctive as a brand. With effort I can remove nearly all of it, but a moment?s inattention leaves little doubt as to my origin. The average dealer can almost pinpoint my location with only a sentence or two of casino-speak. I guess it is what it is.
And a ?good ?un? to you as well.
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Ken Fuchs: East Coast Bias
> No, I beg to differ. "Sewer" is a
> two-syllable word, and the phonetic
> pronunciation, indicated in my American
> Heritage Dictionary of the English Language,
> is quite different from the one for the
> one-syllable "you're," which is
> given exactly the same pronunciation (save
> the initial consonant) as "sure."
> That's because you don't pronounce
> "sure" correctly!! :-) Then again,
> people in Chicago SURE do TAWK funny! :-)
> You can call pronunciation
> "correct" by saying that,
> somewhere in the U.S., someone talks like
> that, but I prefer to go to a more
> "neutral" arbiter, such as a
> reputable dictionary. After all, my
> dictionary doesn't say to pronounce
> "oil" "all," but go tell
> that to someone in Alabama! :-)
OK old man, let's rumble 
I checked the American Heritage Dictionary online with a query for "you're". The non-standard phonetic symbols don't show up in this text copy, so my comments are added in brackets. You can check the listing yourself by going to the site and searching for the word directly.
---begin quote---
The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
you're
PRONUNCIATION: y-oo-r; yer when unstressed
[KF: the first entry was a "y" followed by an "oo" with a curved line over it then an "r", the second entry was like this text except the "e" was upsidedown]
Contraction of you are.
---end quote---
Q.E.D.
Time to finally break into your communion money and spring for a new dictionary!
-Ken
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Wildcard: Re: more on "you're"
> No argument there, WC.
> And you don?t have to sell me on the
> attributes of New England. Years ago, I was
> fortunate to travel there often. Summers
> were okay, but as a lifelong Southerner I
> was captivated by the area?s autumn foliage,
> which I still consider one of the most
> dramatic sights I?ve seen. In fact, I?ve
> observed Mt. Washington from the cockpit of
> a biplane in early October. Not bad a?tall.
> All things considered, New England?s
> magnificent by any measure, and far more
> attractive (in a geographic sense) than
> where I grew up. (In fairness, the same
> probably could be said of Kandahar.) Given
> the right circumstances, I hope to go back
> someday. Oddly (or perhaps not), I?ve
> developed a compulsion to visit Gloucester.
> In fact, I have a recurring notion of flying
> there, buying a motorcycle, knocking around
> the area until I?m tired of it, and then
> returning to the Southwest on two wheels.
> With any luck at all, common sense will
> prevail.
> Aside from all that, the fact remains that
> you guys talk funny. Now, that?s no
> indictment, because some think I do, too.
> Those who are well-informed, however,
> understand that the indisputable fount of
> TRUE English is located west of the
> Mississippi, south of Kansas, and east of
> New Mexico. Not to put too fine a point on
> it.
> Actually, as one who still travels a lot and
> meets many people, I occasionally enjoy
> trying to override my default accent, which
> is as distinctive as a brand. With effort I
> can remove nearly all of it, but a moment?s
> inattention leaves little doubt as to my
> origin. The average dealer can almost
> pinpoint my location with only a sentence or
> two of casino-speak. I guess it is what it
> is.
> And a ?good ?un? to you as well.
I've also viewed Mount Washington from a Stearman!! Helps to have a brother that lives in Loudon, NH and whose neighbor happens to own one. I got my pilot's license in Portland, ME.
Yes, October is very special with the foliage. Spectacular colors to say the least. Gloucester is ok, but very small and quaint. However, buzzing around on two wheels would be an absolutely pristine way to see New England. If you do it, get off onto the back roads and every now and then just pull over, shut 'er down and listen to the leaves blowing in the wind. It'll make you want to stay!
If you have the time, money and desire...I'd follow the dream. New England will not disappoint you...DO NOT go between Novemeber and March!!! :-)
Nothing wrong with Texas! ;-)
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Telescopic: Re: more on "you're"
> Actually I didn't want to press the thread
> too much. New England is indeed a unique and
> wonderful place...especially this time of
> year. May you one day enjoy the wonders of
> Fenway Pahk while the Sox are playing the
> Yankees. The Cape or Down East Maine will do
> as well. NH and VT are jewels as well. We
> all manage to understand each
> other...Mainers are a stretch with "ay
> yuh" and a few other goodies.
> Did you know that the summit of Mount
> Washington, in NH (6,288 ft) is not only the
> highest point in New England, but if you
> could draw a straight line, you'd be at the
> surface of Lake Tahoe.
> Have a great Summer!
> Regards,
> Wildcard
Just the thought of Mt. Washington brings back the fond childhood memory of riding the cog rail train on a clear spring day at the base to a decidedly different level of chill at the summit. I also recall that we stayed in a Main coastal town and drove our family car across a sandbar, as it turned out, during low tide to a barrier island. Our family explored the island and upon returning to our car discovered we were trapped and we're eventually rescued by a lobster fisherman in a boat filled with traps. Dad retrieved the car overnight during another low tide. Pretty exciting stuff for a seven year old.
Telescopic
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