should i play more

[soytari]

Of the casinos near me.
i am blacklisted at 70 percent of them.
i am a winning player and under heavy scrutiny at 20 percent.
i never vent to a few of them cause they were too small and people said they are so bad they have low limits and if you win you may have difficulties getting your money, 10 percent.
i really don't need any money urgently,
now should i play more at this 30 percent casinos, should i try to win 5- 10 -20 k from them until i get black listed eventually everywhere or should i take a break and try to get only 4k monthly as far as i can go?
once the casinos had no connection but now they start sharing player profiles so may be i cant go to these few casinos in the future.
thanks for the comments.
also if i play i try to play at 10-300 or 25-500 tables in order not to get much attention, i can afford to play 100-1000 table. should i hit highest table cause i cant play indefinitely anyways.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Learn to travel.

[doubledownfacedown]

It might be worth your while to go to a casino where you've been given some heat and "show them" that you're lucky. ie: lose some money on purpose, start spreading when you shouldn't, etc.

[soytari]

of course i have losing sessions also i dont spread my bets too much by the book, when the count is up i add some improv to make them chaotic, sometimes i even raise my bets slightly in totally negative counts but you know these cost money.
also it seems like casinos have limits even if you lose for example 40k when you came back and win 60k to get up 20k for example they say enough.

[KJ]

People have been backed off or worse simply because of their spread. Upon a play review they get a reversal and are told the casino review determined they were just lucky. Of course when this happens they are using a level 2 count or stronger and also side counting. The plays they make are natural cover while increasing EV. So much cover in fact "they must have been lucky".

What?? Good grief, Tthree. You are obsessed with level 2 counts. You put way too much stock in them, over-value the benefits of them and now think that it will be such good cover, that a casino that has backed a player is going to do a reversal. maybe if we all use a level 2 count we can achieve world peace as well. Your faith in a level 2 count is kind of cute. We can debate the benefits and improvement in results of using a level 2 counts, but the facts are that a player using a level 1 count and a player using a level 2 count will correlate bets 90% of the time. They will be raising and lowering bets almost in unison. It isn't going to buy you the tiniest bit of cover, especially if they are already 'on to you'. And no way in hell is it going to lead to a reversal. Once the decision is made, reversals are extremely rare. Not only are they extremely rare, but if you were so fortunate to get a 'reversal' what does it buy you? You don't have a clean slate. You will be watched like a hawk for the rest of your time, which will only be a very short reprieve. To buy anything more than a very short additional leash, you are going to have to lay some serious cover. I mean giving away most of your advantage.

I am not a fan of cover to begin with. Card counting is already a paper thin margin. You can't afford to give away any in my opinion, certainly not enough to make a difference, but if you are going to go the cover route, the time to do so is before they pick up your scent. Reversals! great stuff.

It might be worth your while to go to a casino where you've been given some heat and "show them" that you're lucky. ie: lose some money on purpose, start spreading when you shouldn't, etc.

See above, doubledownfacedown. If you are going to throw some cover, the time to do so is before they are on to you. This isn't a court of law. You don't get a fair shake at an appeal trial. However, again, I want to re-iterate you are dealing with a razor thin profit margin. You start throwing cover and you are eating into that. Losing on purpose? spreading when you don't have an advantage? Huge drains on your profit margin....if you are still even playing a plus EV game at that point.

[AussiePlayer]

What?? Good grief, Tthree. You are obsessed with level 2 counts...

It is almost becoming a little disturbing.

People have been backed off or worse simply because of their spread. Upon a play review they get a reversal and are told the casino review determined they were just lucky. Of course when this happens they are using a level 2 count or stronger and also side counting. The plays they make are natural cover while increasing EV. So much cover in fact "they must have been lucky".

I'd love to hear even 1 instance of this EVER happening!

[KJ]

I'd love to hear even 1 instance of this EVER happening!

These will be good topics for the Bill Zender chat at the end of the month. I have already heard him talk about the topic of different counts vs skills check, but it won't hurt to bring it up again. 'Reversals' is a topic that I haven't heard him mention. Be interesting to hear his thoughts on that one. I anticipate making that chat, but, Norm, if for some reason, I don't, please put 'reversals' on the question list.

[doubledownfacedown]

@KJ, yeah that's true. And also, you could blow a few K on "cover", and they could back you off immediately after. And in which case, you're down a few K than what you could have been, had you not tried to cover by throwing money away. (They could also think something along the lines of: "We've been giving this guy some heat, he could be throwing away money as cover right now." or something like that, ya know?)

In the end, it's a gamble, IMO. Throw a few K as cover so you can make way more, or potentially they throw you out right then after you lose a few K.

[AussiePlayer]

1. Don't assume they'll only back you off when you're winning.

2. Throwing 'a few K' away on cover will most likely achieve nothing but throwing a few K away. Here's an excellent look at the costs of cover: http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage139.htm you would probably benefit from reading the rest of the book too.

[soytari]

guys some more info:
pit bosses, dealers have almost no idea about card counting, most of them dont even know basic strategy or even hilo counting. when i am banned, i am generally banned for winning to much so cover play is not much necessary, i use cover to make it like as if i have no system and as if i am a crazy gambler.
i was only once banned in a casino in my first trip, i was even LOSING.

[TheBalanceOfJudgement]

i was only once banned in a casino in my first trip, i was even LOSING.

This, I don't get. Why would they back you off if you're losing money? This is exactly the kind of gambler they want. I watched a lady lose $2000 in 5 minutes a few days ago, a true gambler in the fullest sense of the word (every hit, split and double was the wrong play... I actually kept track.. if she had merely played BS she would have doubled her money... broke my heart to watch). Casinos live off these people.

[Solo player]

This, I don't get. Why would they back you off if you're losing money? This is exactly the kind of gambler they want. I watched a lady lose $2000 in 5 minutes a few days ago, a true gambler in the fullest sense of the word (every hit, split and double was the wrong play... I actually kept track.. if she had merely played BS she would have doubled her money... broke my heart to watch). Casinos live off these people.

Believe it or not. Some casinos can tell the difference between a degenerate and somone who MAY have some skill. Many casinos will let you lose and lose but as soon as it appears to managment that you may be turning things around, well thats when you get the tap.

[TheBalanceOfJudgement]

Holding my tongue. Don't want to give tools to the overseer.

Good man, on second thought, not a good question to ask where the floor may be watching.