Wong Lai: Eastern Europe Tour.

[Wong Lai]

Packing up for my Eastern Europe trip this weekend. Will be visiting a few countries to check the games there,hoping to find some candy stores in the region.

I have an idea about info exchanging with anyone who is willing to email me any useful info in this region, e.g. nice hotel to put up,good restaurant that I shouldn't miss and of course locations of candy stores. In return, I will be reporting first hand info about all the cities that I will be visiting.

Hopefully I will receive some response this time.

WL

[fire9696]

> Packing up for my Eastern Europe trip this
> weekend. Will be visiting a few countries to
> check the games there,hoping to find some
> candy stores in the region.

> I have an idea about info exchanging with
> anyone who is willing to email me any useful
> info in this region, e.g. nice hotel to put
> up,good restaurant that I shouldn't miss and
> of course locations of candy stores. In
> return, I will be reporting first hand info
> about all the cities that I will be
> visiting.

> Hopefully I will receive some response this
> time.

> WL
tell me if you have gone to Bulgaria, sofia, plovdiv or the Black Sea coast and tried the tables there??? Interested in the conditions, rules, etc.... Thanks!

[rick666]

> tell me if you have gone to Bulgaria, sofia,
> plovdiv or the Black Sea coast and tried the
> tables there??? Interested in the
> conditions, rules, etc.... Thanks!
for the cheating in those countries; take care; i will not trust any casino unless if i can see all the cards when they open the tables; in usa in the indian casino you have the same problem; it is easy; they take off aces and tens and put more 4 or 5; so you will have quasi always a positive count and till the end the count will stay high; even if you have a good penetration it is impossible to beat; so check that; you put a bigger bet and you see the cards ; the black-jacks and twenty are not on the table and they beat you whit the dealer 5 or 6 or who cares; the cards are not there; i have got this experience in san maarten and stopped counting; so in those countries if you cannot see the cards at the beginnings take care; it is not a fair game; i know a casino in usa akwesasne in new york state where it is impossible to see tne cards; they refuse to open in front of you; do not be a big fish

[chucky]

Riga, Latvia
both es and joker games. try it. there is especially one local player that will tell you that the good games do not exist any more. but he wants to protect his games, there are positive off the top games! i tell you because i am banned there.
> Packing up for my Eastern Europe trip this
> weekend. Will be visiting a few countries to
> check the games there,hoping to find some
> candy stores in the region.

> I have an idea about info exchanging with
> anyone who is willing to email me any useful
> info in this region, e.g. nice hotel to put
> up,good restaurant that I shouldn't miss and
> of course locations of candy stores. In
> return, I will be reporting first hand info
> about all the cities that I will be
> visiting.

> Hopefully I will receive some response this
> time.

> WL

[Orson]

Chucky, have you ever been to Riga, if you are so "competent"? And who is that "one local player" who wants to protect games? There has never been ESA in Riga, only ES10 with typically very poor penetration (usually half-shoe or less). Yes, currently there is one casino with joker, but they insert joker only 4 hours per day (and not in row - 2 hours at noon and 2 after midnight). That is the only good game in Riga. If you think it is worth travelling for one casino, 4 hours per day (and I didn't say there is no heat), you are most welcome.

BTW, our friend Chance king can confirm my words.

WL, did you get my last e-mail? Are you in Europe already?

Regards,
Orson

[chance king]

1.orson,how are you?..heard you are very busy these days..thanks for the hospitality you showed me in your host country..i cant thank you enough for your kindness....I HAVE BEEN BUSY/SICK..now still in south america...been through argentina,brazil,uruguay.. very near curacao!!
2.i can confirm ..and you have impressed me as one of the most no nonsense serious successful AP players amongst the hundreds i have met..but then a lot of serious counters who know you need not need me to reconfirm that ..
3.with regards to what chucky said..
a.i appreciate the information he provided here..sounds like very good rules in latvia ..perhaps he can give me more information about other good candy stores that i am not aware of (those s/he has been banned and dont need anymore)..BY PRIVATE EMAIL PLEASE ..
b.perhaps the rules in latvia he was talking about are/were different(very good esa years before??..or maybe good rules now the last couple of weeks??) from the time i was there..
...like baddog,UNTT mentioned about CURACAO....things changes so fast sometimes we got to go check it out ourselves personally!!..so i will leave it at that about CURRENT CONDITIONS in BOTH curacao,latvia ...or even mongolian TUGRICKS,!!..ON THIS PUBLIC WEBSITE..
4....reason also been i have a feeling a lot of ?punters?use the internet to bait for information ...on that thread.. perhaps i should mention here also that there are some very good games in..
PAKISTAN,BANGLADESH,ALASKA,MONGOLIA??..ESA,JOKERS, SURRENDER AFTER DOUBLE,TRIPLING!!
...SAD to say nobody ever bothers to deny,confirm my posts!!..might have to fly there to confirm my posts meself!!
5.i am curious tho as to how chucky came to mention about the ONE local player protecting the local game ...STRIKES TO0 CLOSE TO HEART..we are after all a tight knit community....(makes me racking me brain ...COULD BE somebody we all know ..)..maybe i am too paraniod...
....
..p/s ,,i am so paraniod i jumped several feet in the air yesterday when a little boy kept yelling at my feet..and all he wanted was to shoeshine me shoes !!!.i thought he was trying to rob me !!..and maybe i should add that perhaps all these exotic countries are too dangerous to travel..what with TUK TUK robberies etc.. it is best for everybody to just wait and play in safe countries like England(with deregulation all the time ..new casinos now in birmingham etc),singapore,thailand,japan,DUBAI(heard opening up on that 7TH STAR HOTEL IN DUBAI),mexico??
...all the best,orson..and i miss the MONGOLIAN..style buffet food we had already !!!
(hope i did not talk too much here again !!!..)

> Chucky, have you ever been to Riga, if you
> are so "competent"? And who is
> that "one local player" who wants
> to protect games? There has never been ESA
> in Riga, only ES10 with typically very poor
> penetration (usually half-shoe or less).
> Yes, currently there is one casino with
> joker, but they insert joker only 4 hours
> per day (and not in row - 2 hours at noon
> and 2 after midnight). That is the only good
> game in Riga. If you think it is worth
> travelling for one casino, 4 hours per day
> (and I didn't say there is no heat), you are
> most welcome.

> BTW, our friend Chance king can confirm my
> words.

> WL, did you get my last e-mail? Are you in
> Europe already?

> Regards,
> Orson

[chucky]

OK, I let you know who I am. I was a former counter, work for a casino now. I started as a dealer, then pit boss, then counter, and now I identify advantageplayers for a Casino in Moscow. Maybe you have been bared because of me).
I think I need not mention that most +off the top games in the world are in Russia, in the whole country, not only in Moscow. But everyone knows it anyway. Come here, you are welcome. I will recognize you, no matter if you are counter, tracker or just BS player.
I will give you chance to get some info, I will mail you. You like it as a private mail. ok
> 1.orson,how are you?..heard you are very
> busy these days..thanks for the hospitality
> you showed me in your host country..i cant
> thank you enough for your kindness....I HAVE
> BEEN BUSY/SICK..now still in south
> america...been through
> argentina,brazil,uruguay.. very near
> curacao!!
> 2.i can confirm ..and you have impressed me
> as one of the most no nonsense serious
> successful AP players amongst the hundreds i
> have met..but then a lot of serious counters
> who know you need not need me to reconfirm
> that ..
> 3.with regards to what chucky said..
> a.i appreciate the information he provided
> here..sounds like very good rules in latvia
> ..perhaps he can give me more information
> about other good candy stores that i am not
> aware of (those s/he has been banned and
> dont need anymore)..BY PRIVATE EMAIL PLEASE
> ..
> b.perhaps the rules in latvia he was talking
> about are/were different(very good esa years
> before??..or maybe good rules now the last
> couple of weeks??) from the time i was
> there..
> ...like baddog,UNTT mentioned about
> CURACAO....things changes so fast sometimes
> we got to go check it out ourselves
> personally!!..so i will leave it at that
> about CURRENT CONDITIONS in BOTH
> curacao,latvia ...or even mongolian
> TUGRICKS,!!..ON THIS PUBLIC WEBSITE..
> 4....reason also been i have a feeling a lot
> of ?punters?use the internet to bait for
> information ...on that thread.. perhaps i
> should mention here also that there are some
> very good games in..
>
> PAKISTAN,BANGLADESH,ALASKA,MONGOLIA??..ESA,JOKERS, SURRENDER
> AFTER DOUBLE,TRIPLING!!
> ...SAD to say nobody ever bothers to
> deny,confirm my posts!!..might have to fly
> there to confirm my posts meself!!
> 5.i am curious tho as to how chucky came to
> mention about the ONE local player
> protecting the local game ...STRIKES TO0
> CLOSE TO HEART..we are after all a tight
> knit community....(makes me racking me brain
> ...COULD BE somebody we all know ..)..maybe
> i am too paraniod...
> ....
> ..p/s ,,i am so paraniod i jumped several
> feet in the air yesterday when a little boy
> kept yelling at my feet..and all he wanted
> was to shoeshine me shoes !!!.i thought he
> was trying to rob me !!..and maybe i should
> add that perhaps all these exotic countries
> are too dangerous to travel..what with TUK
> TUK robberies etc.. it is best for everybody
> to just wait and play in safe countries like
> England(with deregulation all the time ..new
> casinos now in birmingham
> etc),singapore,thailand,japan,DUBAI(heard
> opening up on that 7TH STAR HOTEL IN
> DUBAI),mexico??
> ...all the best,orson..and i miss the
> MONGOLIAN..style buffet food we had already
> !!!
> (hope i did not talk too much here again
> !!!..)

[Grisha]

>there is
> especially one local player that will tell
> you that the good games do not exist any
> more. but he wants to protect his games,

Look, Orson has been a reputable member of c/c comunity for years. Although protection of confidential information about good games is a sort of norm in our business, and therefore nobody can be blamed purely on this basis, Orson cares so much about his image that he has never intentionally spread inaccurate information. Believe me, because I know him for a very long time.

BTW, the way you are posing yourself on this page is not the optimal one to get a respect among the frequent posters on this board as well as others boards. First you specualte about some games in Cuba, then you switch to personal attack. What will be your next step? Perhaps it is time to change your handle and reappear under clean name :-).

[chucky]

I never attack nobody! my informations are the truth, too. Of course I will not tell all I know, but I will never tell wrong things.
Cuba: Yes, three is!
Riga: there is, and in Latvia outside Riga other good games.
Did you know that there is a casino in North Korea, too?
Sri Lanka: It is known that there are casinos. Rules: no comment, i will find out.
Ruanda: still have not been there (.
OK, guy: Where is any lie in the things I tell?

> Look, Orson has been a reputable member of
> c/c comunity for years. Although protection
> of confidential information about good games
> is a sort of norm in our business, and
> therefore nobody can be blamed purely on
> this basis, Orson cares so much about his
> image that he has never intentionally spread
> inaccurate information. Believe me, because
> I know him for a very long time.

> BTW, the way you are posing yourself on this
> page is not the optimal one to get a respect
> among the frequent posters on this board as
> well as others boards. First you specualte
> about some games in Cuba, then you switch to
> personal attack. What will be your next
> step? Perhaps it is time to change your
> handle and reappear under clean name :-).

[chucky]

ok, you confirmed a good game. 4 hours are worth wile. 4 hours in a joker game is like 8 hours in a ES game. And a joker for 4 hours does not mean that i will lose during the other hours. Only a lower win rate.

> Chucky, have you ever been to Riga, if you
> are so "competent"? And who is
> that "one local player" who wants
> to protect games? There has never been ESA
> in Riga, only ES10 with typically very poor
> penetration (usually half-shoe or less).
> Yes, currently there is one casino with
> joker, but they insert joker only 4 hours
> per day (and not in row - 2 hours at noon
> and 2 after midnight). That is the only good
> game in Riga. If you think it is worth
> travelling for one casino, 4 hours per day
> (and I didn't say there is no heat), you are
> most welcome.

> BTW, our friend Chance king can confirm my
> words.

> WL, did you get my last e-mail? Are you in
> Europe already?

> Regards,
> Orson

[Torpedo]

[BJT]

OK, guy: Where is any lie in the things I
> tell?
You said there is casino at Cuba which is not true. You said a Latvia CC lying about Latvia, if you implied Orson, it is not true. There are at least 2 casinos at N Korea, I had been to one at Rason, rules were bad. What you want to acchieve in this board?

[Wong Lai]

> WL, did you get my last e-mail? Are you in
> Europe already?

> Regards,
> Orson

Yes, am on the road already.

Was off-line for the past week.Busy now. Will send you email later.

Chucky is watching! ;-))

Rgds.

WL