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Thread: Mr Fox: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

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    Mr Fox
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    Mr Fox: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

    hello.....
    i currently use ken ustons APC 3 level count.

    I am trying to calculate expected value and do not have this info.

    can anyone help me???? please.....please.....

    the game is in the UK:
    four and six deck:
    Double 9,10,11 only. no soft double.
    split & resplitt unlimited inc aces.(one card to Ace)
    double after splits
    no insurance, but blackjack even money option
    dealer blackjack takes all bets, not just original
    no surrender,
    stand soft 17 (1 casino has hit soft 17)

    I have seen what i need before but it is for another counting system(wongs).
    any ken uston APC(3level) players here?
    something like below(numbers are wrong obviously) is what i am looking for:
    +5 2.5% edge 3% of the time
    +4 2.0% edge 6% of the time
    +3 1.5$ edge 15% of the time

    obviously the % occurance of that count will depend on the penetration, number of players and number of decks. but if i have this information for at least one case, say six deck 75% penetration. i can write a small c++ program sometime to work it out for different penetrations.

    I plan to write a complete computer simulation but it would be better to do this in the south of thailand in a beach bungalo in luxury with my laptop with US$50/week expenses than where i am which costs ?200(US$300) per week.

    anyone have this info? or prefer to email it?
    The Fox

    p.s. i am posting as the fox because the way a fox has to avoid the farmers shotgun is the way card counters here must avoid dealer cheating!

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    bill baggins
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    bill baggins: Re: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

    > p.s. i am posting as the fox because the way
    > a fox has to avoid the farmers shotgun is
    > the way card counters here must avoid dealer
    > cheating!

    Sorry don't have the info you require as I use Hi-Lo but I was intrigued by your addendum.

    Are you saying you have come across dealer cheating in the UK or am I taking you too literally?

    Regards,

    Bill B.

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    Paddyboy
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    Paddyboy: e-bonuses

    Bill,how is the net-bonus hunting going?
    Just wondered if you had tried Piggs Peak new 75B for 50D?I seem to have a problem registering online with them.

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    bill baggins
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    bill baggins: Re: e-bonuses

    > Bill,how is the net-bonus hunting going?
    > Just wondered if you had tried Piggs Peak
    > new 75B for 50D?I seem to have a problem
    > registering online with them.

    Hi PaddyBoy,

    Have not put much time into online or terrestrial play recently due to other commitments.

    I haven't done the pigs peak deal so can't help you there.

    Can you e-mail me? (may be useful for you).

    Regards,

    Bill B.

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    Mr Fox
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    Mr Fox: Re: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

    > Are you saying you have come across dealer
    > cheating in the UK or am I taking you too
    > literally?

    yes, cheating. shuffling 20 pictures/aces to beind the cut card. never to be played. when the player places the cut card just taking it out, not splitting the deck. i think there are a few different methods. i wonder how many counters have played in london and found "unbelievable luck"

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    One Eye jack
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    One Eye jack: Re: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

    Does anyone know anything about the rule changes there planning for London. Also any info on Blackpool, they are comparing it to AC. Thanks in advance.

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    CoVa
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    CoVa: Re: UK rules (ken uston APC) expected value

    Its possible that when deregulation happens the current operators - especially in London will at the vey least offer 6dk h17 - more likely is CSM in all but the very top end clubs.

    They beleive thay can get away with this as their target market(hopefully) will have no casino experience and will take what ever is offered

    If Stanely take over the Palm Beach, Nugget, and Sportsman I would say CSMs' are only months away in London

    Viva Las Vegas

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