George: GERMAN? who speaks? *NM*

[George]

[AsZehn]

I can a little. What do you need?

[Jack]

Hi George!
I'm from Germany, if you have any questions just contact me.

Viele Gr??e
Jack

[RainerT]

Hello George,I come from Germany too.
Please mail to me if you have a
question.
Regards Rainer

[RainerT]

> Hi George!
> I'm from Germany, if you have any questions
> just contact me.

> Viele Gr??e
> Jack
Hi guys excuse if I write a lttle bit German.
Hallo Jack! Was machst Du hier im Forum?
Gruss Rainer

[jeff]

Can anyone explain why Germans almost always stand on Hard 16 instead of Hard 17. Their BJ rules are not that different.

[Shadow]

That's an easy answer: They can't play the game. They are the worst BJ players in the world.

You hardly find any german who is playing some kind of BS. They think BJ is a team play and the players can only win if everybody at the table does everything correct ("Don't mess up the cards"!).

Hitting a 16 (or even a 15) is almost unthinkable because they feel that they lose way more times than they win. They have no knowledge about the basics of statistics.

And before you ask: Yes, I am german, too ;-))

Shadow

[Boris]

> Hi George!
> I'm from Germany, if you have any questions
> just contact me.

> Viele Gr??e
> Jack

Hi Jack,

ich habe eine Frage ?ber das Spiel in Deutschland. Die Regeln sind: D9,DAS,S17, No Surrender, 6 Decks, Shoe, 80%. Ich benutze seit 2 Wochen Omega II mit Spread 1-12 ohne grossen Erfolg. Ist dieser Count allgemein gut f?r Europa-Regeln?
Vielen Dank.

MfG Boris

[Don Schlesinger]

> ich habe eine Frage ?ber das Spiel in
> Deutschland. Die Regeln sind: D9,DAS,S17, No
> Surrender, 6 Decks, Shoe, 80%. Ich benutze
> seit 2 Wochen Omega II mit Spread 1-12

How come you only mentioned the spread in German?! :-)

Don

[Shadow]

Can't tell about Omega II as I am using KO, but 80% pen sounds quite good. I know only a few places that have that good pen ;-))
The rules are o.k. but could be better (like resplits and RSA)

Can I assume that you can only play at full tables (3-7 players)? That will cut into your win rate. How often have you seen BJ's and 20's all around you on good counts and you are left with a stiff? :-( Additionally you only get about 40 hands per hour instead of 100.

Due to the conditions (full tables, lack of good rules and most times bad pen) the expectation in Germany is a lot lower than in the US.

Shadow

Leider kann ich nichts ?ber Omega II sagen, da ich selber KO benutze. Aber 80% pen klingt ziemlich gut. Ich kenne nur ein paar wenige Casinos mit diesen Konditionen ;-))
Die Regeln sind o.k. k?nnten aber auch etwas besser sein (Re-Splits und RSA).

Ich nehme an, da? Du auch nur an vollen Tischen spielen kannst (3-7 Spieler). Das dr?ckt die Gewinnrate nat?rlich erheblich. Ist Dir wahrscheinlichauch schon passiert: Hoher Z?hlwert, jeder bekommt BJ's und Zwanziger und Du bleibst selbst auf einer 15 sitzen :-( Zus?tzlich bekommst Du an vollen Tischen maximal 40 Runden in der Stunde statt etwa 100 wenn Du alleine spielst.

Durch diese Bedingungen ist nat?rlich Deine Gewinnrate deutlich geringer als in den USA.

Shadow

[Don Schlesinger]

> Can I assume that you can only play at full
> tables (3-7 players)? That will cut into
> your win rate. How often have you seen BJ's
> and 20's all around you on good counts and
> you are left with a stiff? :-( Additionally
> you only get about 40 hands per hour instead
> of 100.

This isn't quite correct. The extra players really don't cut into your EV or win percentage. The fewer hands per hour are definitely a drain on your hourly dollars won, but the presence of others at the table has little effect on your edge, expressed as a percentage or SCORE.

Don

[Shadow]

> This isn't quite correct. The extra players
> really don't cut into your EV or win
> percentage.

I always thought that it is a disadvantage as I have (worst case) 6 other players eating my cards in good counts. I realize they also eat them in low counts to my favor but I expected that the disadvantage will be higher due to the bigger bets I have out in the positive rounds.

Thanks
Shadow

[Don Schlesinger]

> I always thought that it is a disadvantage
> as I have (worst case) 6 other players
> eating my cards in good counts. I realize
> they also eat them in low counts to my favor
> but I expected that the disadvantage will be
> higher due to the bigger bets I have out in
> the positive rounds.

No, it doesn't work that way. See BJA, p. 188, next-to-last paragraph, for a discussion of this precise concept.

Don