Well, if you can make millions flat betting then flat bet, make your millions, and STFU! As for the rest of your post, you don't have a clue what you're talking about but you think you know everything...except how to count against a CSM that you can make millions flat betting against. So, tell me smart guy, why does you casino like giving away millions and how long until they run dry?Originally Posted by Bjshufflemachin
How's is game with advantage off the top?
At +1 you barely have any advantage. If this gams is consistently paying you then go ahead and play. If you're a pro as you claim. Then you should know how to calculate true count on the spot. If you can calculate tc, then what is the problem?
With an edge of .11% off the top with CSM is not much. It is almost a cut even game. However, there might not be an advantage within the games. There might be offers that you can take advantage of like cash back, meals, beverages, free rooms to further the edge of the games. Try using rebate losses.Use hand interaction techniques. Use team play to increase your earning. A CSM that put every round back into the CSM there is no way to beat this game with card counting. Even if the dealers wait two decks before putting the cards backs into the CSM there is no card counting system strong enough to beat games with 2 deck played with 4 deck cut off out of 6 decks being played.
The only strategy I could suggest to you with this condition is play prefect basic strategy. Whatever your bet is you will have an edge of .11%. Other professional player in this forum might have better advices.
Last edited by seriousplayer; 07-18-2013 at 02:37 PM.
Are you serious when you tell that no card counting system can beat a 2/6 with my rules ?
I believe to dream when i see the skills of this forum's members.
Please just buy cvdata work it out and come back later.
ONE TIME again, i'm just asking some informations about how the new one2six work (buffer...) TO PEOPLE who know it.
I don't need people who just come to tell me if it's a good idea to play the game, I CAN do this !!
Please don't post for nothing ! You have the chat to talk
Then you should change your name...Every card counting system is SIMILAR, there is just some a bit better for shoe and other for pitch etc ... But they all get the money.2/6 with csm or shoe is the SAME, and i'm sorry to tell you another Time that it's BEATABLE and not so bad with my kind of rules.Do you understand that , in the long run, a game with top advantage is even beatable and positive EV just with FLATBETTING ? So how can you tell you that's 2/6 is UNBEATABLE ? Perfect roulette is Unbeatable ....
I can't figure out who is trolling here. I know most of you have never played a positive off the top game but if a game can be beat by flat betting, it can be beat by counting, even with very shallow pen. The question isn't whether it's beatable but whether it's worthwhile. The problem with this game is the edge is small, unless other perks from rate play add value too. Flat betting it, the SCORE is around 1. How much will you gain by counting? Maybe you get to 10, maybe 50, maybe more. I think UK-21's advice is the right approach, with the question being what is the buffer size. I don't know if anyone here knows for sure and if they do they may not be interested in sharing that info. I believe it's possible to sim this windowed count approach with CVData using the MRI slice feature to look at only the third round of each shoe. I don't have my computer right now but maybe norm can jump in and explain this feature (I've never used it). If you are always using the count from the previous 2 rounds, you are essentially always on the third round of the shoe, so this should tell you what your edge and SCORE are, then you can decide if it's worthwhile to play.
Bearing in mind the crux of this thread is that the game in question is one with a small OTT advantage, I think I should have added that I'm use to playing a game with a HE of 0.55% (which is pretty standard across the UK).
I think it stands to reason that if we're discussing a game with a marginal OTT advantage, then there is scope to use counting techniques to identify where this is further increased when playing against a 1-2-6. The question as to whether it's worth pursuing this or not is slightly different one, and is subjective - based on betting ramp, bankroll, RoR you're prepared to accept yada yada yada. It certainly isn't worth it if you usually play with red chips. If you play blacks, and are prepared to gag on the risk factor, you might think it is?
I believe that any views that the cards that are re-inserted back into the shuffler have the potential to be re-dealt straightaway is in error, as there's quite clearly a degree of latency in the machine - as it rotates the ferris wheel and finds empty or partly filled slots and pull's cards from the insert tray into these slots, at the same time as cards that have been previously dropped into the discharge ramp at the other end are being dealt out. There's a definite process trail here, and it's just not possible to jump from one end of it straight to the other.
I may be completely wrong, but I've estimated the latency in the machine to be two rounds - as this represents around half a deck on a fully occupied table, and I suspect that the discharge ramp will hold up to half a deck of cards (having examined photos of the internal dimensions) which is also he equivalent to around two fully occupied slots worth. When cards are inserted, the discharge ramp will always end up being fully primed - to allow for uninterrupted play. If someone can find out for certain what the capacity of the discharge ramp this estimate can be firmed up. So who knows someone what works at a shop that uses these things?
Looking at this photo (http://www.blackjacktheforum.com/alb...tachmentid=383) I've counted 10 slots on a quarter of the wheel, so 40 on the whole wheel?
My final word to Bjshufflemachin is that I wish you the best of luck with your endeavours, but I do agree with others that this is going to be a lot of hard graft, carrying increased variance, for the return your going to reap over and above playing basic with the OTT+EV game.
Cheers.
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