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    BJ House Edge in various conditions

    8D, S17, NoSurr, NoDAS, DOA, PEEK on Ace, SPL1, SPLA1, Penetration = 50%, Flat Bet.


    1) Flat Bet, Basic Strategy HE = -0.708%
    2) Flat Bet, Hi-Opt 2 Counting Strategy(Full Index) HE = -0.588%
    3) Flat Bet, Perfect Composition Dependent Strategy HE = ?


    Anyone can help ? Thanks

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    While your top value doesn't seem right to me (should be -.609), the third line should be -.6072.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    While your top value doesn't seem right to me (should be -.609), the third line should be -.6072.

    Don

    Thanks for your reply.

    Peek on Ace only, BS HE = -0.708%
    Peek(on Ace and Ten) BS HE = -0.608%
    Flat Bet, Hi-Opt 2 Counting Strategy(Full Index) HE = -0.588%( sim results from CVDATA)
    Are you saying that Perfect Composition Dependent Strategy HE = -0.6072% ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    Thanks for your reply.

    Peek on Ace only, BS HE = -0.708%
    Peek(on Ace and Ten) BS HE = -0.608%
    Flat Bet, Hi-Opt 2 Counting Strategy(Full Index) HE = -0.588%( sim results from CVDATA)
    Are you saying that Perfect Composition Dependent Strategy HE = -0.6072% ?
    A small detail: when we talk about HE (House Edge), we are referring to the house advantage, which is normally positive.
    In the examples you mentioned, it is the player who has the advantage, not the house.
    So, the signs in these cases should simply be positive.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
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    8D,S17,DOA,NDAS,SPA1,SPL1,NS

    1) TD-EV = -0.609% (HE = +0.609%)
    2) CD-EV = -0.608% (HE = +0.608%)
    3) OP-EV = -0.607% (HE = +0.607%)


    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    A small detail: when we talk about HE (House Edge), we are referring to the house advantage, which is normally positive.
    In the examples you mentioned, it is the player who has the advantage, not the house.
    So, the signs in these cases should simply be positive.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Thank you for correcting my mistake.

    Any answer for the Perfect Composition Dependent Strategy HE ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    8D,S17,DOA,NDAS,SPA1,SPL1,NS

    1) TD-EV = -0.609% (HE = +0.609%)
    2) CD-EV = -0.608% (HE = +0.608%)
    3) OP-EV = -0.607% (HE = +0.607%)


    Sincerely,
    Cac
    I think your answer is for PEEK(peek on Ace and Ten).

    When Only Peek on Ace, HE = 0.708 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    I think your answer is for PEEK(peek on Ace and Ten).

    When Only Peek on Ace, HE = 0.708 ?
    "Peek" has nothing to do with the house advantage. The house advantage is measured "off the top".
    When penetration is incorporated into the sim, what is known as the cut card effect (CCE) appears.
    This causes the house advantage to increase.
    To calculate it correctly with CVDATA, you have to set the number of rounds, for example, to 40.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    "Peek" has nothing to do with the house advantage. The house advantage is measured "off the top".
    When penetration is incorporated into the sim, what is known as the cut card effect (CCE) appears.
    This causes the house advantage to increase.
    To calculate it correctly with CVDATA, you have to set the number of rounds, for example, to 40.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Sim results from CVDATA(1 billion rounds each)

    1) Peek on ACE only, set number of rounds to 1 round/shoe, HE = 0.699
    2) Peek on ACE only, set number of rounds to 40 round/shoe, HE = 0.696
    3) Fully Peek, set number of rounds to 1 round/shoe, HE = 0.607
    4) Fully Peek, set number of rounds to 40 round/shoe, HE = 0.613

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    Last edited by James989; 04-27-2024 at 06:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    Sim results from CVDATA

    1) Peek on ACE only, set number of rounds to 1 round/shoe, HE = 0.699
    2) Peek on ACE only, set number of rounds to 40 round/shoe, HE = 0.696
    There is probably some error in the basic strategy. Compare it with BJA3's. The result should be 0.609%.
    Edit: 1 billion is not enough. You need at least 10 billion.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Last edited by Cacarulo; 04-27-2024 at 07:04 AM.
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    Seems like you should have the 'Insurance' field checked. That's where the difference comes from.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    Seems like you should have the 'Insurance' field checked. That's where the difference comes from.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    'Insurance' field not checked

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    Question: With James989 stating "50% penetration", should we add a cut card effect to it ?
    G Man

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