New deck at cut

[VonDox]

And all of the shuffling is done off camera... These are outfits in some eastern European nations and who the hell knows what guarantees you get for honesty. I will never be swayed that online blackjack is winnable. I have seen some Youtube videos where theses 20'somethings bet outrageous amounts on-line and most of them don't even come close to playing basic strategy.. It's just PURE 100% gambling.. Go to a real casino.. Many of them have hotels and you can usally comp a room if you play rated.. If you are looking for place to play to make some money but want to come back regularly, playing rated is an option if your drive time is a factor. Then hit someplace like Chicago or Vegas to play hard at where there are lots of casinos you can play in case you get booted.

[Archvaldor]

Can a game with 50% pen really be beaten though?

It can be beaten in the sense that you have a positive expectation.

You get quite a low return on investment fro any single table however. Which I think is what you mean.
That is why you play multiple games at once. If you get $3 an hour from each game playing 10 at once then $30 isn't a bad wage. It is not that difficult to play multiple tables at once since most of the time you aren't betting much or anything anyway.

The ROR from a single table would be high if you bet enough to make meaningful amounts of money. With 10 you get into the long run faster, you need less profit from each table and can risk less.

The "cards buried behind the cut card" phenomena is baked into the math and it affects all blackjack games, online or off, good or bad.

[Archvaldor]

And all of the shuffling is done off camera... These are outfits in some eastern European nations and who the hell knows what guarantees you get for honesty. I will never be swayed that online blackjack is winnable. I have seen some Youtube videos where theses 20'somethings bet outrageous amounts on-line and most of them don't even come close to playing basic strategy.. It's just PURE 100% gambling.. Go to a real casino.. Many of them have hotels and you can usally comp a room if you play rated.. If you are looking for place to play to make some money but want to come back regularly, playing rated is an option if your drive time is a factor. Then hit someplace like Chicago or Vegas to play hard at where there are lots of casinos you can play in case you get booted.

I have played online for two decades now. My results are within expectation. I have never had any evidence of cheating. I am up very significantly. There are many credible players who attest to winning 6 and 7 figure sums online.

Probably some cheating does occur somewhere. Maybe directed at very high rollers as that is difficult to prove. But it is very easy to uncover evidence of cheating through statistical analysis when it comes to the entire playerbase of a casino and/or chain. Players do run unofficial audits all the time and share info. And mostly nothing is found. Casinos rig the game in the form of a house edge-rigging it more than that just means fewer players come back.

What idiots do on youtube or twitch or tik tok is not important. I am a moderately successful idiot on youtube and trust me I know. It is meant to be entertaining: don't take it too seriously.

[moo321]

Can a game with 50% pen really be beaten though?

50% pen on an 8 decker is basically unplayable for a count game. With S17 LS DAS and a 1-20 spread, you're below minimum wage with the SCORE:Sim.jpg

H17 no surrender, which is probably the actual rules, and you might not even have an advantage.

[moo321]

I have played online for two decades now. My results are within expectation. I have never had any evidence of cheating. I am up very significantly. There are many credible players who attest to winning 6 and 7 figure sums online.

Probably some cheating does occur somewhere. Maybe directed at very high rollers as that is difficult to prove. But it is very easy to uncover evidence of cheating through statistical analysis when it comes to the entire playerbase of a casino and/or chain. Players do run unofficial audits all the time and share info. And mostly nothing is found. Casinos rig the game in the form of a house edge-rigging it more than that just means fewer players come back.

What idiots do on youtube or twitch or tik tok is not important. I am a moderately successful idiot on youtube and trust me I know. It is meant to be entertaining: don't take it too seriously.

Are you talking US-based online casinos? I've definitely seen cheating with foreign casinos. Several times. Lost 20 hands in a row at one casino.


Plus payout problems, which is the more common form of cheating.

[Archvaldor]

Are you talking US-based online casinos? I've definitely seen cheating with foreign casinos. Several times. Lost 20 hands in a row at one casino.


Plus payout problems, which is the more common form of cheating.

There is a lot of the world that is not the US. Some of it has countries with casinos which are significantly better regulated than the US gambling industry is. I notice Americans say "foreign" as shorthand for something shady-it is more complex than that.

I have also had a losing streak of rather more than 20 hands. It was at Intercasino, where I personally won high five figures. AP's took many millions of dollars off it-it had one of the best recurring promotional programs. I actually won the session. You need a larger sample size to prove cheating.

Generally speaking most online casinos pay. 99%+ in my case. They do bs you a lot with id requirements.

[Archvaldor]

50% pen on an 8 decker is basically unplayable for a count game. With S17 LS DAS and a 1-20 spread, you're below minimum wage with the SCORE:Sim.jpg

Minimum wage is actually good when you can play 10 tables at once. In practice you are looking at $3-$6 per hour from each table.

If you can't multi-table then don't play. You also need to split immediately if the count doesn't go positive. This is obvious if you actually try this-you will end up just waiting for the shoe to finish wasting time while nothing happens.

[theblackjackplayer]

Can a game with 50% pen really be beaten though?

The issue is that you need a high count to have an edge nevermind the penetration level. Usually the high count doesnt come about early. So, by the time you have a playable count they are going to re-shuffle already. You dig?

[Archvaldor]

The issue is that you need a high count to have an edge nevermind the penetration level. Usually the high count doesnt come about early. So, by the time you have a playable count they are going to re-shuffle already. You dig?

That's actually one of the reasons why this can work though.You actually need do very little most of the time. So playing 10 tables at once isn't really that mentally challenging since you are basically just scanning each table for a massive excess of low cards on a hand. Takes only a fraction of a second with practice.

[moo321]

Minimum wage is actually good when you can play 10 tables at once. In practice you are looking at $3-$6 per hour from each table.

If you can't multi-table then don't play. You also need to split immediately if the count doesn't go positive. This is obvious if you actually try this-you will end up just waiting for the shoe to finish wasting time while nothing happens.

Are you talking about back-counting these games? I guess you could get a tiny edge, but I don't see how you're keeping the count on ten tables without a computer program. Maybe that's your move.

[Archvaldor]

Are you talking about back-counting these games? I guess you could get a tiny edge, but I don't see how you're keeping the count on ten tables without a computer program. Maybe that's your move.

Playing multiple tables has multiplicative gains. A SCORE of 7 is equivalent to 70 with ten tables.

You do not need any special skills to do this. The games are very slow and you have a fraction of the cognitive distractions you would in a casino. I don't believe any one who can count a single table in a physical casino environment can't count at least 4 at a time.

If someone did find this challenging then you can just literally close any table which doesn't immediately go positive post-deal. And forget about any playing departures since it contributes almost nothing. TC conversion can be simplified greatly because the game will only be worth betting at the death of the deal. Though I think you would find avoiding being bored to death is the biggest challenge here, not the mental difficulty.

[G Man]

Playing multiple tables has multiplicative gains. A SCORE of 7 is equivalent to 70 with ten tables.

LOL, since when 10 bad things makes a good thing ?
3 baseball hitters of 0.100 do not make a 0.300 hitter.

[moo321]

LOL, since when 10 bad things makes a good thing ?
3 baseball hitters of 0.100 do not make a 0.300 hitter.

In theory, back-counting 10 tables would basically give you 1000 hands an hour. So a SCORE of $5 could end up being a winrate of $50. But I don't think anyone can accurately count down 10 games at once.