Would you play 4/6 H17?? How about 6/8 H17???

[dalmatian]

I ramped up to heavy black max bets during COVID, during which casinos became very sweaty and accordingly felt more comfortable dealing deep pen. Suffice to say, I didn't even bother with a 4.5/6 game when 5/6 pen was everywhere (at least in my part of the country).

I only played 4/6 H17 a handful of times at 2x500/2x600 (and surprisingly did much above EV). I rarely played 8D, but I did stumble across a tolerant PA casino that let me blast 2x600 on a 6.25/8 S17 LS game (brutally slow and they weren't even a 247 casino, even at 2x600 my actual hourly EV was probably hardly 100$/hr).

I never felt comfortable playing games this bad, and it didn't even feel like the casinos were tolerant. I got more of the vibe that they couldn't afford to take a hit so they had to keep the pen that low, and even then they'd back off a winning counter pretty quickly.

I completely agree that if a casino is tolerant and lets you play forever then bad pen is still a good game, but in my experience this was never the case. All the tolerant places I played were absolutely crushing it in revenue and had decent penetration. The places with the bad pen seem to be just as quick to back off if not quicker. What is the point of playing some shithole, with shithole pen, only to get backed off quick. I don't know if anyone else has anything to share regarding this topic, I just kinda wanted to rant about it.

But at the end of the day, would you play a 4/6 H17 game? How about a 6/8 H17 game? [[NO SURRENDER]]

[Freightman]

Would you play 4/6 H17?? How about 6/8 H17???

4/6 only with surrender offered, 6/8 would not play even with surrender. With surrender 4.5/6 is playable with anything over adding significant EV.

even at 2x600 my actual hourly EV was probably hardly 100$/hr).

my tightest spread game usual max $200 sometimes $250 earns that and more. Away from home crushes that with higher spreads.

Seriously, some advanced strategies to disguise abilities and avoid back off would help you immensely.

[dalmatian]

4/6 only with surrender offered, 6/8 would not play even with surrender. With surrender 4.5/6 is playable with anything over adding significant EV.

Really? I know smallcap and other pros have played 5/8 with surrender (though probably ES10 and comps factored in). But yeah I know of no pro that has played 4/6 H17 without surrender. It is a beatable game in theory just the N0 is larger. With bets adjusted appropriately to maintain ROR, I don't see why not.

[Freightman]

Really? I know smallcap and other pros have played 5/8 with surrender (though probably ES10 and comps factored in). But yeah I know of no pro that has played 4/6 H17 without surrender. It is a beatable game in theory just the N0 is larger. With bets adjusted appropriately to maintain ROR, I don't see why not.

But yeah I know of no pro that has played 4/6 H17 without surrender.

Review more closely - I said 4/6 with surrender.

Really? I know smallcap and other pros have played 5/8 with surrender (though probably ES10 and comps factored in).

Have at it.

It is a beatable game in theory just the N0 is larger. With bets adjusted appropriately to maintain ROR, I don't see why not

You would need a massive bankroll in relation to max bets, be prepared to take a BIG hit to play that variance games. I know pros who have taken a 30kk hit over a weekend playing that shit. Also, to play that huge variance roller coaster you need to play massive hours to smooth that graph out. I no longer put in the hours to play that kind of game.

[moo321]

6d H17 2 6.jpg

2 decks cut off of 6 is a really bad game. You'd have to spread 1-100 to get a barely acceptable SCORE of about 20. And that's using full indexes. If you're just using Illustrious 18, it's worse.


That said, there are reasons to play this. If they're not really watching it, and you can get heavy action down, it can still be acceptable. Or if you're primarily beating them with the player's card.

Wonging also makes it a lot more playable.

[sondjata]

6d H17 2 6.jpg 2 decks cut off of 6 is a really bad game. You'd have to spread 1-100 to get a barely acceptable SCORE of about 20. And that's using full indexes. If you're just using Illustrious 18, it's worse. That said, there are reasons to play this. If they're not really watching it, and you can get heavy action down, it can still be acceptable. Or if you're primarily beating them with the player's card. Wonging also makes it a lot more playable.

Eh, depends. I play a 4/6 H17 game (sur) and I do well (considering my unit size). Yes the SCORE is low and the N0 is high. Also, I play against a computer and can get 150 hands/hour.