Thanks for the info G Man. I look forward to your commentary on my posts. I do think Freightman is the truth as well. One day I'll have to figure out where you guys get all this math from, but right now, I have my count, and when it says go....I throw my max bet out and in-between I ramp.
Sincerely
People who can see the hole card. Or the bottom card. Or the casino doesn't watch it because it's a "carnie game".Originally Posted by G Man
Those are all a lot more profitable than the "I'm gonna count, but I won't be too aggressive" types who are spreading 1-10 on H17 8 deckers.
The Cash Cow.
He he, is this a joke ? This is not what we are talking about here, we are answering to Sundown about the profitability of trying to beat a 6:5 8 decks shoe.
A 3 years old could bet a CSM paying 6:5 with H17 and D9, no insurance, etc. if he can see the hole card. Do you really believe you are educating me here ?
G Man
The problem isn't on my end. You said that playing 6:5 games contributes to their proliferation, and implied that there was no reason for anyone to be playing them.
That's not true. APs make games less profitable, and tend to cause them to close. And there are lots of potential reasons to play them. If you knew all of this, as you're implying, you shouldn't have posted what you did.
I've played the Big 6 wheel before. Was I contributing to the decline in casino game quality?
The Cash Cow.
I have put it in red and bold just for Moo...
Where did the OP question about hole carding ? I am telling you that anyone trying to beat this game for pennies is a) Contributing to the problem and b)Losing his time. Period.
Happy Easter
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G Man
Curious what kind of win rate he could get at 1:20 or 1:25 spread. Is the player simply not going to ramp up at all and go from 1 unit at +3 straight to 10 or 20 units or something at +4 or +5 and just ride the variance wave?
Also curious if any adjustments to preferred count. The ace obbviously isn't as valuable as a regular blackjack game for betting purposes but is still the same for playing purposes. Ace neutral count preferred to not over-value the ace?
If there's a half deck cut off, the SCORE is in the single digits with a 1-20 spread. If it's a deck cut off, it's still negative.
Optimal spread is going to be 1 unit at +3 or lower, 5 units at +4, and 20 units at +5 or higher.
The ace still has a fairly strong effect of removal, but not as strong at 3:2 blackjack. So, Hi Lo works, but Zen is more accurate. Ace neutral counts are fine, with or without an ace side count. If you use the ace side count, render a surplus ace as +1 for betting purposes with a level 2 count (Hi Opt II), and +.5 with a level one count (Hi Opt I).
The Cash Cow.
Ok, you've now repeated incorrect information at least 3 times, it's been explained to you, and you're persisting even when corrected. So, you're either working for the casinos, trolling, or have a dangerous disregard for truthfulness.
You can get a SCORE of $20-30 back-counting that game. That's not "peanuts." That's better than spreading 1-15 on an H17 6 decker with 1.5 cut off with Illustrious 18 indexes, which only gives a score of about $15.
Unlike you, I've actually given specific, correct answers to questions. I've explained when the game goes positive, how much of a spread is needed, how much you can expect to win, etc. You have posted nothing but vague nonsense. And now you're parading around pretending you're helping people, when literally nothing you've said is accurate or helpful. To review:
-6:5 can only be beaten "for peanuts": False
-APs beating a game makes the casino more likely to spread that game: False
-There are no good reasons for any AP to play 6:5 blackjack: False
The Cash Cow.
So, you're either working for the casinos, trolling,
LOL, the difference betwen us is probably that you work behind your computer while I work IN the casinos, not FOR.
You can get a SCORE of $20-30 back-counting that game. That's not "peanuts." That's better than spreading 1-15 on an H17 6 decker with 1.5 cut off
Sorry, yes this is peanuts and PLEASE stop comparing two shitty games.
-APs beating a game makes the casino more likely to spread that game: False
APs do not play that shit unless using advance techniques and it was not implied by the OP who talked about "counting the game". No, real APs do not count that game.
-There are no good reasons for any AP to play 6:5 blackjack: False
LOL again, I never said anything like that. What I'm saying is that no true AP using counting will ever bother playing this game. If an AP tackle this game it will be using advance techniques like holecarding, etc. Did you ever played other than the $15 tables ? You look to me like a livingroom counter. Sorry!
G Man
Haven’t been to Vegas for probably 5 years. Last time, sauntered into the single deck 6:5 game - played 10 minutes, then shuffled over to the double deck NDAS game and played another 10 minutes - basically flat betting both games before wondering over to the decent 6 deck shoe game where I didn’t flat bet.
Dont know if the gambit was worthwhile though8 can say nobody bothered me.
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