Originally Posted by moo321
Almost all of these sources are at least 20 years out of date.
No. It's still very relevant. An old publishing date doesn't mean the info is not still useful.
You didn't even explain what you think was inaccurate, so I'm left guessing what your disagreement is. I'm assuming you think the game has been fundamentally changed by facial recognition or computer skill checks, but those were all around when those articles were written, and they're not responsible for most backoffs:
>When you’re identified quickly, it’s because: (1) Someone recognized you, (2) There is a recent flyer being distributed with your photo on it, (3) You just used a poison name, or (4) You did something really stupid.
>And that’s why the mention of FRS hits a nerve with me. You never see high-level players complaining about FRS, or even speculating that FRS was the cause of their demise. It’s only the rookies who complain about the dreaded FRS. And why is that? Because they are making excuses for their own ineptitude. In most cases, these quick backoffs are the result of obvious, amateurish play, and poor game management. The players were foolish, and probably didn’t notice the various heat warnings that occurred (the pit boss making a phone call five minutes before the backoff, the weird question the boss asked when he looked up your player’s account, the dealer’s sudden half-shoeing of you, etc.), or they ignored or poorly responded to those heat warnings.
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The fundamentals are still the fundamentals. You need to know how casinos protect games. You need to know how to recognize and manage heat. None of that has changed.
The Cash Cow.
A computer today is 10,000 times faster than it was 20 years ago. That makes any kind of automated surveillance significantly more efficient.
The had valve computers in the 1960's but they weren't much use tracking counters.
But that is far from the only difference.
1. 20 years ago information about advantage play was much less accessible to both players and the industry.
2. Player profiling was based mostly on observation. now they use big data.
3. The legal situation has become more aggressive
4. Internal procedures and regulations within casinos has become stricter.
5. Mobile technology was nothing like as dominant 20 years ago. Information travels faster through multiple properties.
6. The gambling industry has expanded.
That's just off the top of my head.
And before someone points this out - yes there are still sawdust joints where they are just as clueless as they were in the 1950's let alone 2000's. But just ignoring all the developments without any kind of recognition of the changes is just dumb.
Btw You keep referring to Grosjean. Grosjean's "Beyond Counting" is mostly data derived from C simulations of hole-card and next-card information mainly in blackjack and carny games, mixed in with some other unusual ap opportunities. It is not about everything as you seem to think.
For example there is no information about internet bonus hustling as you suggested in another thread-there is literally no information about that at all. Nor as you have suggested in this thread is it mainly about cover. The cover advice Grosjean gives would be of limited value to most modern AP's. Grosjean is non-Caucasian and was often actively contemptuous of card counters and card counting (his book is called "Beyond Counting) it is very questionable how much of his experience would be relevant to most aspiring card counters even in the 2000's let alone now.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 04-05-2024 at 01:34 AM.
James Grosjean is white. And he has taken millions of dollars off of casinos. He is easily the most knowledgeable AP that shares information in any public arena. I would always take his advice over that of some internet handle on an anonymous message board.
You're clearly buying into rumors that the casinos are all CIA hackers that are catching you with magic facial recognition software, when that's still really rare. Casinos love to spread this myth so that people back themselves off. Most people are still caught because they're obvious, they used heated up names, they're flyered in the area, etc. Same as it was in the 1970s.
Most casinos still don't have very good passive FRS. They require a good, square shot with a pan-and-sweep, which means you're already heated up enough that they're running your name and face.
The Cash Cow.
I didn't criticize Grosjean. I am saying you are mostly misquoting and referencing him incorrectly.
If you have a quotation or reference or could even vaguely describe what you are talking about by all means do so. But I suspect you can't. You come across as if you think just mentioning his name all the time adds weight to what you are saying. It doesn't.
I did not mention facial recognition at all. You do like to change the subject of the conversation a lot.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 04-07-2024 at 06:26 AM.
I quite literally just did that. I gave a link and a quote from an article he wrote. And yes, quoting Grosjean does bolster one's argument, because he's one of the most successful APs of all time. Both in developing theory and methods to attack the game, as well as success in actually making money.
The Cash Cow.
You wrote at the start of this thread in response to this question...
How would you suggest studying the methods used to protect games common/specific to the particular casino?
"Beyond Counting and Exhibit CAA by James Grosjean are even better if you can find them."
I am asking you to substantiate that with a page reference or some kind of explanation of what you are actually talking about. Because I think you don't know. I think you want to make out you are super-cool by quoting a book most people can't get hold of. This isn't the first time you've done it.
Later in the thread you added a link to an article which discusses FRS-something no one was talking about but you. That is irrelevant.
Oh will you please stop man he's not going to invite you to the prom.And yes, quoting Grosjean does bolster one's argument, because he's one of the most successful APs of all time. Both in developing theory and methods to attack the game, as well as success in actually making money.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 04-10-2024 at 01:28 AM.
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