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    *I am of the opinion card counting is a bit over-hyped and
    Not in the least. Those willing to actively learn and with the ability to properly execute can make a lot of money - dependant of course on goals.

    actively dangerous to many under-capitalized players.
    Absolutely true. Further, those that go the travel route doing sims without properly accounting for travel expense within those sims can face serious setbacks.

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    It looks like Jstat and Grant won't make it into the BJ Hall of Fame.
    Thanks Don, Ship, Arch and Norm for the history lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Not in the least. Those willing to actively learn and with the ability to properly execute can make a lot of money - dependant of course on goals.
    I don't see those statements as incompatible.

    Card-counting is generally speaking inferior to other advantage play methods and much more easily detected. It is however still quite profitable for a well-capitalized player with a disciplined approach. Incredible for such an old method.


    Absolutely true. Further, those that go the travel route doing sims without properly accounting for travel expense within those sims can face serious setbacks
    Yes. That is one of the biggest issues. Snyder was always trying to get people to understand that but no one ever listened much unfortunately.

    Additionally it does bother me the way some blackjack authors and system sellers seem to be subtly encouraging new counters to take risks with micro-bankrolls. You can see why that happens because the number of people who have the money and ability to do this isn't enough to sustain a large market. So they end up exploiting the desperate.

    Card counting IS a mathematically valid approach. But that isn't everything.

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    You will not get rich card counting, you will get richer. And if you like to play blackjack, you should count cards. Even if you just have a "Wong Out" and a modest bet spread you will be ahead
    Chance favors the prepared mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by iCountNTrack View Post
    You will not get rich card counting, you will get richer. And if you like to play blackjack, you should count cards. Even if you just have a "Wong Out" and a modest bet spread you will be ahead
    Extremely underrated post. Card counting works for big bankrolls, but it's not a good way to start a bankroll. With a few thousand bucks, you can go to garage sales and flip stuff for $50 an hour. You're not gonna get that counting until you have a decent bank.
    The Cash Cow.

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    I'll never go back to card counting. I'd rather leave the casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    I'll never go back to card counting. I'd rather leave the casino.
    Are you still playing blackjack or did you move on to other games and methods?

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    Additionally it does bother me the way some blackjack authors and system sellers seem to be subtly encouraging new counters to take risks with micro-bankrolls. You can see why that happens because the number of people who have the money and ability to do this isn't enough to sustain a large market. So they end up exploiting the desperate.
    For much of the populace, success is dependent on positive variance off the get go, with real though unproven skills - in other words, the get rich mantra is directed in many cases to the Hail Mary crowd

    Card-counting is generally speaking inferior to other advantage play methods and much more easily detected. It is however still quite profitable for a well-capitalized player with a disciplined approach. Incredible for such an old method.
    True on both comments - First, a more than seasoned counter must learn all the standard stuff associated with optimal counting, THEN, learn how to improve EV and deviating from apparent robotic simulated approach at the same time - it can be done.
    You will not get rich card counting, you will get richer.
    Everything depends, but also likely more accurate than my comment. A thoroughly skilled approach can easily beat simulated results - I’ve done it for a long time - it also took a long long time to get there. Much of the required knowledge is buried within the standard highly regarded books available. Obviously, the choice if how much money is dependent on individual goals.
    I'll never go back to card counting. I'd rather leave the casino.
    This particular poster has put up many teasers regarding CSM play - throw a bone already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    For much of the populace, success is dependent on positive variance off the get go, with real though unproven skills - in other words, the get rich mantra is directed in many cases to the Hail Mary crowd


    True on both comments - First, a more than seasoned counter must learn all the standard stuff associated with optimal counting, THEN, learn how to improve EV and deviating from apparent robotic simulated approach at the same time - it can be done.
    Everything depends, but also likely more accurate than my comment. A thoroughly skilled approach can easily beat simulated results - I’ve done it for a long time - it also took a long long time to get there. Much of the required knowledge is buried within the standard highly regarded books available. Obviously, the choice if how much money is dependent on individual goals.
    This particular poster has put up many teasers regarding CSM play - throw a bone already
    There are other legitimate blackjack advantage plays. Some, CSM's make it much faster.

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