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    I'm distraught

    I never thought this could happen to me as I'm so new at this. I was just told by casino personal to leave and they escorted me out. I was told that I'm an advantage player and they don't want my actions, and if I come back it will be trespassing and that they have my pictures etc. I was only up $25 and only cashed in for $100 and it was my first shoe of the day. This is my local casino and now I'm screwed. I have no clue what triggered this but obviously I was counting and I even told the guy I only use basic strategy (wink wink). I asked if I could speak with a manager and he said he was the manager of security etc. Obviously they have some sophisticated software.

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    database participant or previously caught you, possibly a skilled counter was observing you from the beginning. Very common actually.

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    You're mostly likely right, but not sure what tipped them off????????*??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
    You're mostly likely right, but not sure what tipped them off????????*??
    It shouldn't really be a source of amazement that one of the simplest and most over-analyzed form of advantage play ever is highly detectable.

    It is more surprising frankly that any counters continue to get away with it.

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    Explain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
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    Your playing at the same time of day (after work) exposed your back counting to probably the same pit crew and surveillance crew. Backcounting is well known to be a way of gaining an advantage. So they had you picked out as an AP before the day you were trespassed, and they likley had a notice out to boot you as soon as you sat down.

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    Damn Intermediate I think your right. I did lots of back counting in order to grow my bankroll. I didn't think they would catch on since I wasn't cashing in for thousands or taking thousands from them. I guess you don't have to be winning in order for them to flag you.

    Would you go back in disguise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
    Would you go back in disguise?
    Given it sounds like you were trespassed, it's not worth the risk of going back and being arrested. Time to start travelling to different regions and spreading your action across multiple stores and shifts to limit your exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermediate View Post
    Given it sounds like you were trespassed, it's not worth the risk of going back and being arrested. Time to start travelling to different regions and spreading your action across multiple stores and shifts to limit your exposure.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
    I did lots of back counting in order to grow my bankroll.

    I guess you don't have to be winning in order for them to flag you.
    My experience is that back counting is way too difficult to do without being obvious. I tried it at a place that I do not regularly play. I was doing everything possible to not be obvious. Two different dealers asked me what the count was when I sat down.


    Before forming your strategy and sitting down to play, you should always always think like they do in order to give yourself the best chance of not being backed off and knowing when to leave. Let's say that you are in Loss Prevention for the casino. Would you rather back someone off when they are down or when they are up? If they have determined that you are talented, why wait until you have their money to give you the boot?

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    Thanks for the advice Marriedputter.

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    Who is this skilled counter? A fellow player or surveillance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
    This is my local casino and now I'm screwed. I have no clue what triggered this but obviously I was counting and I even told the guy I only use basic strategy (wink wink).
    They had you pegged based on your recent history. You should think about your last session or two and how you played and how you spread. Were you using a Player's Card? Did they scan your ID at the entrance?

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