Full Early Surrender Deviations

[Freightman]

Are you sure it's not ENHC?

1. South America
2. No hole card peek

No ENHC

[k_c]

Your numbers are correct for ENHC (I get 0.167306%). But this is NHC.

Sincerely,
Cac

If not ENHC I get ~.2750% player edge.

k_c

[Sundown]

Yea probably something wrong with your formulas ????

[chuckybaby]

Just expressing my surprise that such an exceptionally good game is being located and analyzed on an open forum

[DSchles]

I just input the rule options into my CA at once and click 'Compute'. I don't parse the value of each rule deviation individually.

But you could, of course, do them one at a time, if we were trying to see where our difference was. In this case, you'd see that you included ENHC, which wasn't mentioned by the OP.

Don

[Gramazeka]

for 6d, h17, doa, das, spa1, spl3, es ==> ev = 0.098432%,

sincerely,
cac

enhc -0.0026

[k_c]

Your numbers are correct for ENHC (I get 0.167306%). But this is NHC.

Sincerely,
Cac

Not important but I get player edge of .1667% for OBO. The .1646 value neglects to allow surrender versus up cards 2-9.

The confusion to me is expressing rule as NHC. I think OBO (original bets only) is better.

k_c

[Freightman]

The confusion to me is expressing rule as NHC. I think OBO (original bets only) is better.

There is a difference between NHC (No Hole Card), ENHC and No Hole Card Peak. OP specified No Hole Card Peak with full early surrender. With surrender after leak - that game would be equivalent to NHC with ES10.

[Freightman]

With surrender after leak

I guess I meant to say “Surrender after peak” - Mind you - surrender after leak would likely require a change to I18.

[Cacarulo]

enhc -0.0026

Yep.

Sincerely,
Cac

[DSchles]

There is a difference between NHC (No Hole Card), ENHC and No Hole Card Peak. OP specified No Hole Card Peak with full early surrender.

Guess I'm not following. If there is no hole card, what, exactly, is the dealer peeking (note spelling!!) at??

Don

[k_c]

There is a difference between NHC (No Hole Card), ENHC and No Hole Card Peak. OP specified No Hole Card Peak with full early surrender. With surrender after leak - that game would be equivalent to NHC with ES10.

Isn't surrender after peek likely late surrender?

By the way it doesn't matter when dealer checks for blackjack relative to surrender. What matters is what happens if dealer has BJ. If player surrenders and loses half his bet whether dealer has BJ or not that is equivalent to early surrender. If player surrenders and loses half his bet when dealer doesn't have BJ and loses his full bet when dealer has BJ, that is equivalent to late surrender.

If ENHC any splits and doubles are at risk to lose to dealer BJ. If OBO only original bet is at risk and extra bets due to splits and doubles if made would be "rebated" if dealer has BJ. So OBO in a no hole card game could make for a lot of extra work for the dealer.

k_c

[DSchles]

So OBO in a no hole card game could make for a lot of extra work for the dealer.

The way AC was for years and years.

Don