99v7 for oneI have no idea why someone would side count the aces if they're not doing it for better insurance decisions
Just side counting heart queen for an improbable result is inefficient - as I once discovered by side counting 9’s for the infrequent 12v2 at high true counts hitting bypassing the index of standing. There’s a few side counts I tie my true counts to - not as efficient as specialized counts, but certainly get the money.Originally Posted by moo321
An observation - right or wrong - people are using side counts to improve individual play decisions. Why not for betting decisions departing from optimal up or down based on my pet theory of QTC. Pretty darn efficient from my perspective.
As for insurance decisions - sure - side counting aces helps, but so does combining with counting surplus or deficit of intermediates - a powerful combination tied to ace reckoned counts.
Maybe you need to realize that there are other people in this world who can use a side count of aces not only for playing purposesI have no idea why someone would side count the aces if they're not doing it for better insurance decisions
but also for betting purposes. In CAC2, it's possible to use it for both. Hi-Lo probably isn't the system to use for betting,
but it can easily be extended to most of the plays of R22 or C22, not just for insurance.
Sincerely,
Cac
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
You're right in thinking I might have. By the way, you were recently referred to in a broad band description as “no one in specific but most people in general” suggesting “Most of the people who comment on these boards can't count down a shoe using Hi Lo and play basic strategy correctly”.
I’m willing to wager that you can count down a shoe playing hi lo - AND play basic strategy correctly. Please don’t disappoint me
I thought the original post was saying they used an ace-rendered count and then kept an ace side count, but not for playing. Obviously if you're using an ace neutral count, you can side count the ace for betting purposes. I still don't see why anyone would ever side count fives.
The Cash Cow.
Playing lucky ladies and side-counting the queen of hearts is one of the rare situations where a weird side count is definitely worth it. This side count along with an insurance count doubles the gain from lucky ladies compared to Hi Lo.
https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-...kjack-side-bet
The Cash Cow.
It doesn't have to be exclusively an ace-neutral count. CAC2 is ace-reckoned. Regrettably, I can't provide further information as it entails disclosing details of a non-public system,
including the rationale behind counting the fives.
Sincerely,
Cac
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
When I say infrequent, I’m referring to the 1000-1 payout with player having 2-Qh with dealer blackjack. So, the first 4 cards must have player getting both heart queens and dealer getting blackjack. So, at double deck, the only variable is whether dealer gets ace or face on the 2nd or 4th cards.
2/104 x 8/103 x 1/102/ x 30/101 = 480/110355024 plus exact same odds if dealer cards are reversed or 1-1000 payout every 459812 hands. Don I’m sure will correct me if I’m wrong. I deem that to be infrequent not deserving of a specialized count - much easier handled by tying to true count (enhanced by QTC). Seems to me that my gambits are achieving similar hourlies counting - more or less depending on where I am in relation to home.
My game is complicated enough as it is - I’ll simplify and make a little extra easy money with no additional heart. True counts can be tied to other side bets where payoffs happen on both negative and positive counts.
This is a count for a single deck game with 2-3 rounds. So after the first round I change into either LL or Hi-Lo. This is because the LL requires a custom side count due to the paytable I simmed. 10s (-2), 2-9(+1), Qh(-6), 2ndQ(-2). Also If decide to go with LL, I increase by bet size anyway so I can bet more on the sidebet.
Well, the multiplication is OK, provided you double it. Guess that's what you mean by "plus exact same odds if dealer cards are reversed." Normally, we just multiply by 2 and we're done with it. In any event, when we do that, we get 960/110355024. Then, dividing, we get once out of every 114,953 hands. So, after getting your first value, you went the wrong way with the doubled value. You had to make the probability of occurrence MORE frequent, not less. So, next time, double right away, in computing the dealer's probability of blackjack, and you won't get confused.
By the way, very sporting of the casino to pay 1,000 to 1 odds for something that happens once every 114,953 hands!! Sheesh! Can they afford it?
Don
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