Should have left when I was up

[Sundown]

I play 8 decks, S17, late surender, Double down any 2 cards, split aces but no doubles on those splits.

Trying to get out of the habit of saying that now that I'm counting (should have left when I was up). Gave it all back and then some to the Casino by losing on positive true counts hi-lo +4 KO approximately 2% advantage when wonging in.

Are we hitting on 3 card 15s and 16s in high counts (2% advantage)or are we staying when dealers shows a 9, 10, A? I stayed, but the next card was a 4 and would have won the hand with max bet out and now I'm crushed. Lol

Thank everyone...still a newbie so excuse my lack of knowledge for now.

[moo321]

Are we hitting on 3 card 15s and 16s in high counts (2% advantage)or are we staying when dealers shows a 9, 10, A?

You should know how to properly play all of your hands before you ever go in a casino. There are indexes for all of those play, and you should use the indexes for your counting system.


You should generally not leave just because you're winning money. You certainly shouldn't do it because you're afraid of losing it all back. The only time you should cut a session short due to winning is because you're afraid its going to generate heat.

[Sundown]

You're correct in that I should know. With that being said, I play KO and I don't see any indices plays for multi card stiffs. I'm not sure if the illustrious 18 has those indices for multi card stiffs but I think the question lies in the belly of composite strategy rather than basic strategy
I follow basic Strategy and use 17 or so index plays when the deck is in my advantage typically with a 2.0% edge over the house or otherwise equivalent to a hi-lo true count +4 or better.

Let me of you have an answer.

Thanks.

[DSchles]

When you use index numbers for the 15s and 16s that you mention, it makes no difference if they're your first two cards or multi-card.

Don

[Sundown]

So 15s I surrender vs dealers 10, and 16 I surrender 9, 10, A. Makes no difference in the count as surrender takes priority as my casino allows it. If there were no surrender options, then my indices tell me to stay when advantage is 2.0% over the house or equivalent to + 4 true count if one uses Hi-low.

I probably just answered my own question if I perceived your comment accurately. I believe the correct choice is to stay.

Do you have a link to the illustrious 18 as well as Amy other of your books.

Sincerely

[sondjata]

Basically you leave when: 1) You are too tired/distracted to play correctly. 2) Actual heat 3) You no longer have an advantage. I used to do the "ohh I made x amount and I don't want to give it back" so ended a positive shoe early. Unfortunately this kills the math of whatever EV you calculated because you exited when you had advantage and [in my case] played more -EV hands. Per your stand question. If the math says stand on a 6 card 16, you stand on that six card 16. You have no idea what that next card that is coming out. We don't play "flow of the cards" we play a mathematical game. The odds that the next card is a 4 is determined by the composition of the remaining cards. No more, no less. The math says you either will win more or lose less by standing so you do it.

[VonDox]

Sundown... Just do a google search and you will get most of the basic info you need for KO index plays. Anytime I go to the casino I always do 3 things.. 1) Using CVCX I sim up the game, make sure my bet spread is within my risk tollerance and I double check my game by plaing a simulated session with CV-Black Jack. 2) I bring a travelling bankroll for that trip/session and that is all I bring. 3) I set a time limit per session that I am playing, regardless if I am up or down I play for 2 hours, I take a break, then if I have time, I play for another 2 hours. I move to another table and keep changing it up so I look as harmless to the casino as possible. I cash out every 2 hours and then cash back in. Lastly, and I think think this very important... You need to change your mindset that every hand, every shoe, every session, every trip is just a long continution of one game of black jack. I am never up and I am never down in my head... I am playing for the long haul to get in hours and make sure my game is solid. You will end up going crazy the way you are thinking. Trust me, I know.. I really do because I did the same thing.. But I read a lot, learned a lot and you just need to trust the math.

[DSchles]

If there were no surrender options, then my indices tell me to stay when advantage is 2.0% over the house or equivalent to + 4 true count if one uses Hi-low.

Well, surely not for anything but 15 vs. T. The other indices, for 15 or 16 vs. 9, T, or Ace, have nothing to do with Hi-Lo +4. Also, you should also stop talking about doing this or that when the advantage is 2%. The index is the index; your edge may or not not be 2% when you use it. It depends on the rules of the game. So you have to know the indices for the game you're playing and not concern yourself with what your advantage is when you make the play.

Do you have a link to the illustrious 18 as well as any other of your books.

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/shop/products/blackjack-attack-playing-the-pros-way/

https://www.amazon.com/Hi-Lo-Card-Co...s%2C328&sr=8-1

Don

[Sundown]

Thank you

[Sundown]

Thanks Don. I use KO and most if not all of my indices are activated when my running count is at the "Pivot". Since I set my IRC to zero, my pivot is at +32 for an 8 deck shoe game. The advantage at that point for the local rules S 17, early surrender , Double on any 2 cards etc. is hovering around 2%, however I just call it a "hot deck". I state the Hi-low true count of +4 as it's my understanding the equivalent of a "hot deck" in order to invoke the opinions of others who may not be familiar with KO.

Thanks for the links as well as your time and look forward to learning a lot more from you.

Sincerely