. Yeah. Exactly my experience. The machines I play cut off 2 decks.Originally Posted by moo321
Ok, then I'm referring to the "SCORE" that CVData spits out for various games.
I'm also going to post a really good article for people who haven't played single deck to help understand how the number of players at the table affects the effective penetration, and therefore desirability, of various blackjack games.
https://bj21.com/articles/card-count...kgameselection
The Cash Cow.
I'm guessing you haven't played much single deck being on the East Coast. The way you're describing things is generally true for shoe games with a fixed cut card. But it's not true for single deck.
The number of players and your position on the table changes the effective penetration dramatically with Rule of X penetration. In a good game, with Rule of 7 pen, you can get a SCORE that is over 9 times higher if you're playing with 3 players and you're at third base compared to playing 5 players at first base. Not 90% higher, 9 TIMES higher. And that's ignoring the situation where you put in an extra player and they start shuffling after every hand.
Even with a fixed cut card, player placement and number of players can have a pretty dramatic effect on SCORE. With a deep cut card, your SCORE can double with 5 players and you at third base versus heads up. This makes some sense, because you can get much deeper into the deck on the last round with more players. This seems to be due to the ability to make better playing decisions at third base, since the SCORE for the middle of a 5 player game is about the same as heads up. That also implies that the effect would be somewhat larger with counts that have better playing efficiency than HiLo, like Zen or the Hi Opt systems, which I'm exploring.
But there are some anomalies with a fixed cut card and player count. For example, if the cut card is at 26 cards, heads up is better than playing third base with two or four players. While playing third base with 3 or 5 players is about a third better than heads up. It's very strange, and I was quite surprised to discover this, and that no one had really noticed it before. Although I understand, because there's no 3:2 single deck left, and we didn't have good computers back when it was common.
The Cash Cow.
We're talking at cross purposes, and you're simply not listening. I repeat: What you're calling SCORE isn't SCORE; it's an hourly win rate. SCORE parameters are FIXED. If you play single deck, we assume one other player to your right, and the various cut-card positions that are referenced in the Chapter 10 charts. Period. I'm well aware of what you've written above. Maybe you should reread the More on SCORE end of the chapter, to review my frustrations with people calling any old annual win rate a SCORE.
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