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    Why not add 7 to low cards 2,3,4,5,6 and 9 to high card s10,J,q,k,A

    Hi everyone
    I was wondering if it would make any difference to the hi-lo system if 7 added to low cards series 2,3,4,5,6 and 9 added to high cards series 10,j,q,k,A
    That way the only card that left is 8 (less uncertainty?)
    Can someone please run some sim ?
    Thank you in advance!!!

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    Why don't you just count the 5 as +1.5 and the 7 as +.5 and the 9 as -.5 and change the 2 as +.5. Then you have the halves count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F**thecount View Post
    Hi everyone
    I was wondering if it would make any difference to the hi-lo system if 7 added to low cards series 2,3,4,5,6 and 9 added to high cards series 10,j,q,k,A
    That way the only card that left is 8 (less uncertainty?)
    Can someone please run some sim ?
    Thank you in advance!!!
    There are many reasons. The biggest one is that Hi-Lo has already put A on Hi column. The most important deviation play is insurance. One out of five player is wrong because he draws ace, not face card when TC is high enough. If you want to put nine on Hi column, insurance play will be more inaccurate. This is also the reason Zen is better than Hi-Lo regarding insurance accuracy. It is because face card and ace have different tag. In the end, only one out of nine chance players are wrong when TC is high enough and he buys the insurance.
    Last edited by BJGenius007; 02-04-2024 at 12:30 PM.

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    There are many reasons. The biggest one is that Hi-Lo has already put A on Hi column. The most important deviation play is insurance.
    Agreed

    One out of five player is wrong because he draws ace, not face card when TC is high enough and he buys the insurance.
    Hi lo 6 deck has a strike point of True+3 for insurance. You mentioned hi lo where ace and face share the same tag value of -1 when TC is high enough. Simulation does not take into account surplus or deficit of aces, therefore to blame high TC as reasons for losing insurance bet by drawing AA is not a valid argument. ASC can easily can easily sway insurance by encouraging insurance decision below strike point with a deficit of aces or discouraging insurance above strike point when aces are in a surplus situation.

    If you want to put nine on Hi column, insurance play will be more inaccurate.
    Accurate comment which explains halves strike point at 6 deck at True +3.4. ASC again can alter insurance decline both below and above strike point.

    Last, using hi lo as an example, a surplus or deficit of 789 can also sway the insurance decision.

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