I lost my bankroll twice PLEASE HELP !

[F**thecount]

Hello everyone,
I kept running count and true count correctly
using 1-20 bet spread
6 decks
80% pen
DAS
I got basic strategy down 100%
Everyday I practiced counting down the deck of card under 30 seconds before going to the Casino
Wonging when TC is -2 or more
However whenever the TC got super high I put my big bets out there I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 and the dealer kept getting 20,21
Or when I doubled down on high postive TC I kept getting fcking 15,16
When the true count is 0 or negative I bet table minimum ($5, $10, $25) i kept getting good hands 20,21
Especially when I bet $5 I get blackjacks at least 2-3 times per shoes

But when true count get super positive I put my big bets out there somehow I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 while the dealers kept getting 20s or bj
or if I have 18 the dealer would get 19
If I have 19 the dealer would have 20
Many times the true count was as high as +17 and
I still fcking get 13,14,15,16 but somehow the dealer getting 20,21
75 %of my big bets I lost because I would either have 12,13,14,15,16,17 or dealer have bj
10% of big bets push on 20
I only win about 15% of my big bets
I lost my first bankroll $5,000 after 500hrs
Lost my second bankroll $15,000 after about 1000hrs
I’m on my third bankroll of $5000 and I’m already down $1200 PLAYING WITH $10/unit after only like 50 hrs
This time it’s even worse only 10% of my double downs and big bets worked when the TC is postive

Did anyone experience anything similar ?
If you really know the answer
PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS ADVICE !!!
Thanks in advance !!!

[Cacarulo]

Hello everyone,
I kept running count and true count correctly
using 1-20 bet spread
6 decks
80% pen
DAS
I got basic strategy down 100%
Everyday I practiced counting down the deck of card under 30 seconds before going to the Casino
Wonging when TC is -2 or more
However whenever the TC got super high I put my big bets out there I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 and the dealer kept getting 20,21
Or when I doubled down on high postive TC I kept getting fcking 15,16
When the true count is 0 or negative I bet table minimum ($5, $10, $25) i kept getting good hands 20,21
Especially when I bet $5 I get blackjacks at least 2-3 times per shoes

But when true count get super positive I put my big bets out there somehow I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 while the dealers kept getting 20s or bj
or if I have 18 the dealer would get 19
If I have 19 the dealer would have 20
Many times the true count was as high as +17 and
I still fcking get 13,14,15,16 but somehow the dealer getting 20,21
75 %of my big bets I lost because I would either have 12,13,14,15,16,17 or dealer have bj
10% of big bets push on 20
I only win about 15% of my big bets
I lost my first bankroll $5,000 after 500hrs
Lost my second bankroll $15,000 after about 1000hrs
I’m on my third bankroll of $5000 and I’m already down $1200 PLAYING WITH $10/unit after only like 50 hrs
This time it’s even worse only 10% of my double downs and big bets worked when the TC is postive

Did anyone experience anything similar ?
If you really know the answer
PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS ADVICE !!!
Thanks in advance !!!

1) We don't know what counting system you are using.
2) Entering the game (Wong-In) when the TC = -2 means you could enter at the beginning of the shoe. Ideally, you should enter the game
when the TC = +1 or +2, depending on the counting system used, and in any case, leave the table (Wong-Out) when the TC = -2 or lower.
3) 80% penetration is not bad at all.
4) We also don't know if you're betting optimally or what ROR you're playing under.
5) What software are you using to analyze your game? This is crucial.
6) Finally, we've all been through these ups and downs. These are things that sometimes happen.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cac

[sondjata]

Hello everyone, I kept running count and true count correctly using 1-20 bet spread 6 decks 80% pen DAS I got basic strategy down 100% Everyday I practiced counting down the deck of card under 30 seconds before going to the Casino Wonging when TC is -2 or more However whenever the TC got super high I put my big bets out there I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 and the dealer kept getting 20,21 Or when I doubled down on high postive TC I kept getting fcking 15,16 When the true count is 0 or negative I bet table minimum ($5, $10, $25) i kept getting good hands 20,21 Especially when I bet $5 I get blackjacks at least 2-3 times per shoes But when true count get super positive I put my big bets out there somehow I kept getting fcking 13,14,15,16 while the dealers kept getting 20s or bj or if I have 18 the dealer would get 19 If I have 19 the dealer would have 20 Many times the true count was as high as +17 and I still fcking get 13,14,15,16 but somehow the dealer getting 20,21 75 %of my big bets I lost because I would either have 12,13,14,15,16,17 or dealer have bj 10% of big bets push on 20 I only win about 15% of my big bets I lost my first bankroll $5,000 after 500hrs Lost my second bankroll $15,000 after about 1000hrs I’m on my third bankroll of $5000 and I’m already down $1200 PLAYING WITH $10/unit after only like 50 hrs This time it’s even worse only 10% of my double downs and big bets worked when the TC is postive Did anyone experience anything similar ? If you really know the answer PLEASE GIVE SERIOUS ADVICE !!! Thanks in advance !!!

Your conditions are similar to mine so: 1) I agree with the first responder: What count are you using? 2) For that unit and spread $5k total bankroll is far too small. You're probably at a 50% ROR with that. Maybe even more. That 5K is a MINIMUM trip BR and you're still likely to lose half of that during the session. 3) Per your dealer BJ. If you have your max bets out then regardless of count those should be Insurance plays. You did not mention insurance. 4) Are you playing correctly? 5) Do NOT Wong in at any negative count. Why are you volunteering negative EV if you can avoid it? Depending on the count system you are using you could be looking at a -1.5% [not] edge. That is unacceptable to a serious player. You should sim your situation before committing more money.

[Gramazeka]

It is very important ! Make sure the cards are laid out before playing! Make sure there are no second deal !

[F**thecount]

Your conditions are similar to mine so: 1) I agree with the first responder: What count are you using? 2) For that unit and spread $5k total bankroll is far too small. You're probably at a 50% ROR with that. Maybe even more. That 5K is a MINIMUM trip BR and you're still likely to lose half of that during the session. 3) Per your dealer BJ. If you have your max bets out then regardless of count those should be Insurance plays. You did not mention insurance. 4) Are you playing correctly? 5) Do NOT Wong in at any negative count. Why are you volunteering negative EV if you can avoid it? Depending on the count system you are using you could be looking at a -1.5% [not] edge. That is unacceptable to a serious player. You should sim your situation before committing more money.

Thanks for the responses
And Im sorry for not being clear
Im using hi-lo
I also track Aces and 5
Wong Out starting at -2 or more
First bankroll 5000 lost I was using $10/unit (1-12 spread)
Second bankroll 15000 lost I was using $15/unit (1-20 spread)
Third bankroll 5000 I’m using $5/unit (1-20 spread)
(Already down 1200 playing $5/unit lol)
For basic stategy I’m using the one made by Mike Aponte for H 17
I’m using 21 deviations for dealer Hit soft 17
I’m doing everything by the book but somehow I just can’t get it to work
14,15,16, bust, 14,15,16 bust it just kept going on and on
I gotten so bad the dealers gave me a nickname Mr.15 because the number of “15” hands that was dealt to me per day)
I understand risk of ruin and variance but how realistic to be on a losing streak for over a year I honestly don’t remember when was the last time I had a winning sess
I even have another AP(winner) to check me and he said I should be ok
My problem is when TC is 0 or lower Im about even but when the TC is postive +7,8,9 or even higher I’ll be getting 13,14 hands I swear like 70%
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ADVICE TO GET OVER WITH THIS PLEASE !!!

[Secretariat]

My problem is when TC is 0 or lower Im about even but when the TC is postive +7,8,9 or even higher I’ll be getting 13,14 hands I swear like 70%

Stiffs are more probable at high counts when there is a shortage of 7s, 8s, 9s, As, but you can't tell with just a main count. Hard 20s should also be more frequent in same situations. Paying attention to, or counting 789s, helps to detect such situations.

[Archvaldor]

There isn't much to say here frankly. Your results are bad but not abnormal. It is just blackjack. You may not be doing anything wrong.

You should be periodically practicing and reviewing your play, regardless of your results obviously.

[VonDox]

There are a LOT more knowledgable BJ players here than me.. I guess the major things that jump out for me is how do you know you are counting correctly? Do you have software you use to confirm you can keep the count and do 2 side counts and keep it all correct? I can keep the count and hold a normal conversation and look like a normal player but if you would ask me to keep two side counts as well, without a ton of practice I would be a wreck. My other suggestion is to set up some firewalls and set some session loss stops so you don't blow through an entire bankroll in one night? ( not sure if you are or not ) Just a suggestion ( a dollar and time amount ). Just go to a casino, take $300 and play for an hour. Lastly, do you change it up when you are playing going to two spots or three? With the variance you are seeing playing some extra spots could help you out. Variance is real, and some players claim they start out with $500 and turn it into THOUSANDs and others have $20k bank rolls and drop it all in one long weekend session. Until you get the hours to reach the N0 you can see some horrible downturns.. Perhaps adjust your bet spread ( AGAIN USING SOFTWARE ) so you can reduce your risk of ruin when playing..

[F**thecount]

There are a LOT more knowledgable BJ players here than me.. I guess the major things that jump out for me is how do you know you are counting correctly? Do you have software you use to confirm you can keep the count and do 2 side counts and keep it all correct? I can keep the count and hold a normal conversation and look like a normal player but if you would ask me to keep two side counts as well, without a ton of practice I would be a wreck. My other suggestion is to set up some firewalls and set some session loss stops so you don't blow through an entire bankroll in one night? ( not sure if you are or not ) Just a suggestion ( a dollar and time amount ). Just go to a casino, take $300 and play for an hour. Lastly, do you change it up when you are playing going to two spots or three? With the variance you are seeing playing some extra spots could help you out. Variance is real, and some players claim they start out with $500 and turn it into THOUSANDs and others have $20k bank rolls and drop it all in one long weekend session. Until you get the hours to reach the N0 you can see some horrible downturns.. Perhaps adjust your bet spread ( AGAIN USING SOFTWARE ) so you can reduce your risk of ruin when playing..

Hi Von
The 2 side counts are easy to track. Playing with 6 decks there 24 5 and 24 A. I use 2 stacks of 24 chips.
Due to covid I keep a mask on and people usually don’t talk to me beacuse if it, so I get almost no distraction.
I know I am NOT supposed to believe in LUCK but I think someone probably spelled a curse on me or something.
I just kept losing all my big bets when the TC is really high
I remember I had a session when had 7 consecutive 15.
$500 - 15 and lost
$500- 15 and lost
$375- 15 and lost
$225-15 and lost
$175- 15 lost
$75-15 lost
$25 -15 and won
It’s so fcking disgusting to sit for hours and hours counting and counting and finally when TC is off the roof you push the big bets out and lost them all but as the count drop you drop then magically win at table minimum
When a bunch of little cards are in left in the shoe I get 19, 20 and 21
But when a bunch of big cards are left in the shoe I somehow always magically i get 14,15,16,17
Am I doing this the wrong way guys????
I supposed to bet big when I know there are a lot of 10,J,q,k,A left in the shoe right? Right?

[Secretariat]

But when a bunch of big cards are left in the shoe I somehow always magically i get 14,15,16,17

No magic, just probabilities.
The opposite of my previous post is high positive counts with surplus 789s
Then you wild get more pat hands 17/18/19 and you will get fewer stiffs. You also get your share of TTs
thus, the game more often comes down to who has the best pat hand, you or the dealer.

[Archvaldor]

I supposed to bet big when I know there are a lot of 10,J,q,k,A left in the shoe right? Right?

Yes. You are having bad luck.

It is quite possible for someone to lose for ten years counting cards. Unlikely but possible.

[k_c]

I think that probably the likeliest cause of seemingly excessive losses is when player is dealt significantly fewer blackjacks than expected. This can be compounded if dealer gets more than expected. When it is a given than player is not dealt BJ he is at a 7.9% disadvantage (6 decks full shoe, H17, DAS, SPL3) total dependent strategy
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...ems-like-loser

When player isn't dealt blackjacks they are replaced with other hands. If they are stiffs it is all the worse. Also unlucky doubles and splits can kill.

Even the best strategy deviations cannot overcome this if it persists for a long time.

k_c

[VonDox]

If I could ask... How many hours have you logged in?? Do you track the number of rounds per hour you get in?? Have you gotten in 100 hours yet? 250 hours? If you are still under 100 the simpliest answer could be variance here and if so, that really sucks for you to have such a bad first outing. But, the math says it can happen with such a small number of hours..