7,7 vs 8 with Surrender

[dalmatian]

For halves I'm getting the following in a surrender shoe game:

Counts below +2: Hit the 7,7 vs 8

Count +2 through +8: Split the 7,7 vs 8

Count +9 and above: Surrender the 7,7 vs 8

Is there a special name for hands that actually have 3 decisions not just 2 over the full spectrum of counts?

the only other situation I can think of is 16 vs 7 where the following is true for halves:

Counts below +9: Hit 16 vs 7

Counts +9 through +11: Stand 16 vs 7

Counts +12 and above: Surrender 16 vs 7

[dalmatian]

another surrender question.

Most places nowadays are giving 17 vs A in H17 as an always surrender play (church charts from Colin Jones' Blackjack apprenticeship & Norm Wattenberger's Casino Verite). However, in professional blackjack Stanford Wong says to treat it as a reverse +2 indice. As in surrender in counts below +2 and at +2 and above stand.

What is correct?

[DSchles]

It's correct to surrender only when the TC < +2 and to stand if the TC >=+2.

Don

[dalmatian]

It's correct to surrender only when the TC < +2 and to stand if the TC >=+2.

Don

Thanks Don. This was my fear, to be surrendering in positive counts with large bets out when in fact the correct play is not surrendering. If it was the other way around I wouldn't mind as much playing the slightly less optimal play when I have small bets out

[Cacarulo]

For halves I'm getting the following in a surrender shoe game:

Counts below +2: Hit the 7,7 vs 8

Count +2 through +8: Split the 7,7 vs 8

Count +9 and above: Surrender the 7,7 vs 8

Is there a special name for hands that actually have 3 decisions not just 2 over the full spectrum of counts?

the only other situation I can think of is 16 vs 7 where the following is true for halves:

Counts below +9: Hit 16 vs 7

Counts +9 through +11: Stand 16 vs 7

Counts +12 and above: Surrender 16 vs 7

I believe that for Halves, the LS index is a bit higher, between +12 and +13.
By the way, these indices are for DAS. If NDAS, you should never split but LS with +9 or more.

For 16v7 you STAND if the index is +9 and LS if it's +13 or more.
Perhaps someone can confirm it.

Sincerely,
Cac