However, this general consensus helps many APs to thrive.
I respectfully disagree. Obviously casino management thinks it works - that's why we get BO'd, though the pit's perceived impact of effective card counting on the casino bottom line is misunderstood. I think enough ploppies believe it works to make the gamble attractive, and that fuels the casinos' hold. Whether ploppies believe it or not doesn't directly help an AP.
I don't agree with that comment at all. To Intermediate's point, that's why discussion boards like this exist, so that we can no only talk about the science of the game, but the art of avoiding detection by the many, many people who know that it works. It's also why books sell, why DVDs sell, and why people pay to watch crappy movies like 21. I would say that most people know that card counting works, even though they don't understand the "how" behind it. If I ever mention to someone that I can count cards, their first reaction isn't "card counting doesn't work"...it's "isn't that illegal?"
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If I choose to tell people tthat I card count I always get that comment... isn't that cheating? I also get the comment well your just getting lucky you can't really beat the casino but these comments are usually from hopless degenerates that are too lazy to learn a new skill set.. unfortunetly, I know my share of degens
While I do not agree with the original posters statement it does bring up the point of counter failure. While counting is proven to mathematically work and some have actually accomplished mastering the craft to see it through to a successful outcome, most will not. Counting cards works in much the same manner as a good diet and excercise can get you fit. Both are true, but the majority of those that try it either put too little into it to see satisfying results. Many times because of this they claim its either impossible to beat the casino counting cards, or similarly they just can't seem to lose weight or get in shape. The overwhelming majority of new counters rush through a book or two, practice a bit, grab a few hundred bucks and head out to the casino to.....bring down the house. Most of you knows what usually happens next. So while its incorrect to say card counting will fail, its most definitely more likely the average counter will. I do believe sites like this one is a big help in leading aspiring card counters in the right direction, but being an AP as well as a member of the fitness field myself, I see all the time the path of least resistance will unfortunately be the route most traveled.
Last edited by Tbonz; 03-27-2013 at 01:22 PM.
- Yeah, don't think chang meant 100% of people say it does not work at all -- just that there is a huge amount of people that believe it doesn't work / it's illegal or cheating / etc.
- I also agree that it helps APs. Some people read up on counting and go to the casino to win. Casino personnel know that these low-level counters are amateurs and will likely fail, clumping the APs who are properly bankrolled into that category.
- And yeah, whenever I tell someone, they say the same three things (it's illega/cheating, doesn't work, and how does it work?).
- In a way, it's kinda fun and satisfying knowing so much about the game, and knowing that I know so little about the game at the same time -- that I have so much to learn. After explaining how CC works, even for 5 or 10 minutes, most people are overwhelmed. Also, counting is kind of a nitch group. We specialize in something that people think is impossible -- they think it's illegal -- which makes it all that much more thrilling and satisfying....not to mention, you're beating the house, something that many people can only dream or hope of.
- The bad part about this phenomenon (that people don't think/know it works), is that if someone is hard-set on "You can't beat the house, CC'ing is just pure luck it doesn't work", then you're going to have trouble convincing them otherwise. With so much knowledge in this field, it isn't the easiest thing to do -- to take these things that most people have no idea what they are (come on, most people don't know what a standard deviation is, or what variance is, or ....etc) and convert them into lamens terms.
- It might be hard to convince a wife or significant other that it works, or a sibling parent or friend, or maybe even an investor. And the sad thing is, at the end of the day, we still might land in the tail end and ruin our bankrolls, just to hear, "I told you so!" If you thought it was difficult to convince someone that CC'ing works, imagine trying to convince them after you've lost your entire bankroll!
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What casino personnel and where?Originally Posted by muffdiver
Many (including casino personnel) don't know what "running count" means and deem it impossible to count 6 or 8 decks because of the huge number of cards being used. Please agree with them!
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IMO, who cares if people believe / agree with you? If they think it doesn't work, then that's on them. Due to my now known profession on this site, I don't have the option of playing blackjack in the state I currently reside, however I do play poker. It's the same thing. Poker is a skill game just like Blackjack and I get the same crap. "You just get lucky", "You will go broke" etc. And when I do have a bad night, oh man they love to rub it in, thinking they were right. Ahh well, they can live their boring lives lol
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