NEW Card Counting System! (CAC2 + CAC2 Enhanced)

[Cacarulo]

To be honest, I returned to counting to reduce my drinking: it's gotten a little bit out of control lately. So, the more information, the better. If I'm driving there and sitting there, I might as well squeeze the best % advantage. Also, to give me something to do on vacation when I'm too exhausted to pursue sports. And don't want to sit around the hotel room and get yelled at by the Big Boss. I'm working full time. I cannot drink on a Monday and win at blackjack on a Tuesday or Wednesday. I come in always a close 2d. I predict that eventually the discipline to count will win out over the beer.

Yes, counting cards is much healthier than counting beers, but an ice-cold beer from time to time doesn't hurt at all

Sincerely,
Cac

[qzyki]

Out of curiosity, how do the SCOREs compare between CAC2 and Omega II?

[Cacarulo]

Out of curiosity, how do the SCOREs compare between CAC2 and Omega II?

To make a fair comparison, we should compare apples to apples. CAC2, in its main version, does not use an ace side count, while AO2 does.
CAC2 is superior to AO2 if neither uses side counts. In this case, according to standard rules, CAC2 has a SCORE of $27.72, while AO2 has a SCORE of $24.82.
However, AO2 necessarily requires an ace side count, in which case the SCORE rises to $28.80. In that scenario, if we also add an ace side count to CAC2,
the SCORE would climb to $29.13 or more, depending on other factors that are very well explained in the extended document of CAC2.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cac

[qzyki]

Thanks for the detailed analysis!

[BJGenius007]

To make a fair comparison, we should compare apples to apples. CAC2, in its main version, does not use an ace side count, while AO2 does.

You are wrong. AO2 doesn't use ace side count. I have Blackjack For Blood 5th edition (2010). I just checked and I did not see a newer edition at Amazon so I suppose it is the latest edition. In the 5th edition, AO2 doesn't incorporate ASC. Bryce only mentioned that people can use ace side count with AO2 to boost its power, but he did not write any content on how it can be done.

[Freightman]

You are wrong. AO2 doesn't use ace side count. I have Blackjack For Blood 5th edition (2010). I just checked and I did not see a newer edition at Amazon so I suppose it is the latest edition. In the 5th edition, AO2 doesn't incorporate ASC. Bryce only mentioned that people can use ace side count with AO2 to boost its power, but he did not write any content on how it can be done.

You don’t need to use ASC for AO2. However, if that’s your choice, you will suffer with a very poor betting correlation. Any Ace Neutral system that does not have ASC is inferior, in fact vastly inferior.

The link below which spells out BC, PE and IC spell out the B.C. for AO2 without ASC. Same goes for other Ace Neutral systems such as Hi Opt 1 & 2. I dare say that AO2 is likely in the 98% BC area with ASC properly executed.

https://www.qfit.com/cardcounting/Omega-II/

[Gramazeka]

You are wrong. AO2 doesn't use ace side count. I have Blackjack For Blood 5th edition (2010). I just checked and I did not see a newer edition at Amazon so I suppose it is the latest edition. In the 5th edition, AO2 doesn't incorporate ASC. Bryce only mentioned that people can use ace side count with AO2 to boost its power, but he did not write any content on how it can be done.

2017

https://www.amazon.com/Blackjack-Blo...jack+For+Blood

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...046#post218046

[BJGenius007]

2017

https://www.amazon.com/Blackjack-Blo...jack+For+Blood

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...046#post218046

First, I am sorry that I don't know there is a newer edition that has now incorporate ace side count into the AO2 built-in. Before today, I always thought there are two different scores for AO2 and AO2/ASC. I treat the two as different counting systems.

Good information. For some reason, when I Google Blackjack for Blood, no. 1 search result pointed to the older version. I used AO2 for a brief time after buying 2010 edition. It did not say how to use ace side count at all, so I moved to Zen which strike good balance on using ace on bet and play.

Not going to buy the new book since I no longer use AO2. Hope people having this book can answer my question. Does the new edition have contents on how to use ASC on both betting and playing? Thanks.

[Cacarulo]

First, I am sorry that I don't know there is a newer edition that has now incorporate ace side count into the AO2 built-in. Before today, I always thought there are two different scores for AO2 and AO2/ASC. I treat the two as different counting systems.

Good information. For some reason, when I Google Blackjack for Blood, no. 1 search result pointed to the older version. I used AO2 for a brief time after buying 2010 edition. It did not say how to use ace side count at all, so I moved to Zen which strike good balance on using ace on bet and play.

Not going to buy the new book since I no longer use AO2. Hope people having this book can answer my question. Does the new edition have contents on how to use ASC on both betting and playing? Thanks.

As Freightman mentioned earlier, no counting system in which the ace has a value of zero can be efficient without a side count of aces.
That's why I said that AO2 (and any other ace-neutral system) necessarily requires of a side count of aces, especially in shoe games.
Notice that under standard rules like "6D, S17, DOA, DAS, SPA1, SPL3, NS, R22", Hi-Lo has a SCORE of $25.00 slightly higher than AO2's SCORE ($24.82).
Also, I remember that Carlson recommended a kind of gambit where you could exchange the tags of the Ace and the Nine, transforming the system into Zen.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Dog Hand]

<snip>Does the new edition have contents on how to use ASC on both betting and playing? Thanks.

BJGenius007,

Carlson tells how to use the Ace side count for betting purposes only: he makes no mention of using it for playing decisions.

Also, this same information is in the original Pi Yee Press edition of BJFB.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[Ole]

Before today, I always thought there are two different scores for AO2 and AO2/ASC. I treat the two as different counting systems.

Bryce Carlson writes in his footnote #5 on page 63 (2001 edition) that "the best use of this added information is to adjust the running count for betting purposes only." He doesn't show much interest in using the ASC for anything else.

On page 90 he gets in to just how to do it, and also describes the reasons why. Without ASC, his core count has a Betting Correlation of .92, but with ASC the BC is .99.

Carlson offers the ASC as an option for both his Basic Omega and the Advanced Omega counts, and I feel he expects you'll use it with the AO-II. Without the ASC for betting, AO2 can't compete with HO2.

Nobody really discusses much using ASC for play variations, except for me in my manuscript that is underway. The Ace has a general effect on many plays, and a very strong effect on some of the doubles.

Hope that supplements some of your questions.

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[Cacarulo]

Nobody really discusses much using ASC for play variations, except for me in my manuscript that is underway. The Ace has a general effect on many plays, and a very strong effect on some of the doubles.

What you say is true; not many people discuss the use of ASC for play variations. Therefore, we would already be two who do .
In "Enhanced CAC2," there is a very good explanation of how to take advantage of this.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Ole]

ASC for play variations
... Therefore, we would already be two who do .
In "Enhanced CAC2," there is a very good explanation ...

Cool!

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