Im interested in the maths and strategies

[Agiviescre]

Im not much of a gambler and I rarely visit casinos, but Im interested in the maths and strategies that vary with different rules in different casinos


In some (all ?) Australian casinos, the dealer gets one card at the beginning.
Ive noticed that in USA casinos that I have visited the dealer gets two cards at the beginning


How would this change your basic strategy compared to the dealer getting two cards ?


With the difference being the next card will either go to you depending on whether you hit or stand - that might change the strategy that you use.


What do you think ?

[Freightman]

Im not much of a gambler and I rarely visit casinos, but Im interested in the maths and strategies that vary with different rules in different casinos


In some (all ?) Australian casinos, the dealer gets one card at the beginning or
NHC or No Hole Card

Ive noticed that in USA casinos that I have visited the dealer gets two cards at the beginning or
HC or Hole Card

How would this change your basic strategy compared to the dealer getting two cards ?
It doesnt

With the difference being the next card will either go to you depending on whether you hit or stand - that might change the strategy that you use.
it doesn’t

What do you think ?

My comments directly under your questions. Further comments below.
I’m very familiar with NHC, ENHC and HC, but less familiar with Australian rules so 8 hope I get this right. The primary difference between Australian and (most) North American games revolves around dealer holding as first card an ace or face card with the possibility of dealer getting blackjack.

Australian rules are generally OBBO - Original bets busted only. Assume split to 4 hands with splits and doubles with dealer getting BJ. OBBO - dealer wins first bet and player busted hands.

Most of North America practices OBO - Original bets only. Dealer gets BJ with player scenario above. Only the original bet loses, all other wagers are returned to player in their entirety.

I also made reference to ENHC (European No Hole Card) where player loses all wagers to dealer BJ.

Strategy changes for OBBO will centre around
11 v 10, 10 v 10, AA v A, 88 v 10 or any other scenario where dealer has BJ potential.

The resident Australian boys on the forum can be more specific.

[aceside]

I always try to avoid no-hole-card games. There is a strong psychological factor here. If a dealer doesn’t reserve a hole card (or hole cards) before completing players’ hands, there is a tendency that this casino may cheat. Often times, no-hole-card games are dealt out from a shuffle machine, so this makes it easier to cheat.

[Freightman]

I always try to avoid no-hole-card games. There is a strong psychological factor here. If a dealer doesn’t reserve a hole card (or hole cards) before completing players’ hands, there is a tendency that this casino may cheat. Often times, no-hole-card games are dealt out from a shuffle machine, so this makes it easier to cheat.

Incredibly silly. NHC games are faster with higher HPH. This is because there is no peek, therefore faster. The HC game is technically a sliver better because dealer blackjack after peek immediately ceases play therefore preserving high cards in positive situations. NHC requires all hands to be played out before dealer takes a card thus diluting high cards in positive counts. The corollary of course is that more cards are played out in negative situations - refer to your betting ramp which should resolve additional questions.

as for cheating - not so much on this continent.

[aceside]

I strongly advocate getting rid of all no-hole-card games in this world. Aside from the psychological factor I mentioned above, there is another important factor, that is, the dumbness of being tricked to pay more by a dealer hiden blackjack.

I believe the peek device is the most important invention since the invention of computers.

[Freightman]

I strongly advocate getting rid of all no-hole-card games in this world. Aside from the psychological factor I mentioned above, there is another important factor, that is, the dumbness of being tricked to pay more by a dealer hiden blackjack.

I believe the peek device is the most important invention since the invention of computers.

Sorry, your comments are silly

[DSchles]

Sorry, your comments are silly

You/we should comment when they aren't silly; it would be a lot easier.

Don

[Freightman]

You/we should comment when they aren't silly; it would be a lot easier.

Don

Perhaps!
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[davethebuilder]

Australia universally uses the No Hole Card rule for Blackjack and Pontoon. As such, it’s not possible to know if the dealer has a BJ until the end of the round which is an expensive penalty so the BB+1 and OBBO rules are used to compensate the player when the dealer turns over a BJ.

There are four main ways of dealing No Hole Card Blackjack…

OBO: If a player splits a pair and one of those hands bust then it stays on the table until the end of the round. This is the players original bet which is then lost if the dealer turns over BJ.

BB+1: If a player splits a pair and one of those hands bust then the cards and the bet are removed immediately. If the dealer turns over BJ at the end of the round then an additional bet is taken from the box. So the player loses his original bet which has already been removed plus one more (per box). If the player doubles his original bet and the dealer turns over BJ then only the original bet is lost.

OBBO: If a player splits a pair and one of those hands bust then the cards and the bet are removed immediately. If the dealer turns over BJ at the end of the round then an additional bet is taken from each hand. So the player loses his original bet which has already been removed plus one more (per hand). If the player doubles his original bet and the dealer turns over BJ then only the original bet is lost.

ENHC: European No Hole Card rule means the loss of all bets including splits and doubles if the dealer turns over BJ.

If no splitting has occurred then there is no difference between BB+1 and OBBO but for any game BB+1 is the better option. The Basic Strategy varies depending on which hole card rules the particular casino is using.

[aceside]

Perhaps!
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I invite 21forme as provocateur to promote as his pivot point may inspire contrary and lengthy debate.

The link below is suggestive of plaid commentary.
https://youtu.be/Ci_xmmpW_bw?si=JDNNvOAHg3pKt3qW

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