Is it worth?!, help for a newbie (europe)

[Freightman]

According to Norm qfit, though.
Original Bets & Busted Only – OBBO means that if you split, the original bet will always be lost and the split hand will be lost if it busts. Double down bets are not lost.

Read it again, carefully.

[21forme]

Read it again, carefully.

Why do you bother respodning to this troll, who gets his jollies by reading responses to his never-ending errors and misinformation?

I thought Norm banned him permanently, but apparently had a change of heart.

[aceside]

What are you two talking about? I have read very carefully into Norm’s definition. The OBBO should be worse than OBO for the player. The OBO should be close to the US rule of dealer peeking for blackjack but it is still slightly different because usually there is no surrender upon a dealer ace upcard in OBO.

[dalmatian]

I have feels this is the croatians blackjack game in Spilt. I hear that they cheatings. They add 5s to the deck when you turn your head away. I do not like play this games.

Are you fellow European?

[Softhony]

It's not practical nor desirable to learn every nuances you mentioned. Choose an index order that fits the most the conditions you are usuallly encountering and use the index from the tables mentioned in my previous post.

Dear G Man, I have another question, what could I do with the 8.8 vs T in table 51.1? Which is for an ENHC where all bets are lost if the dealer has a natural. Wong in Professesional Balckjack (1994) mentions: "If you lose all to a natural by the dealer and thus will not split 8-8 against 10, then for 8-8 against 10 use -5,..." (p. 90) Which is more or less the equivalent of the -6 index of Don and Dave (2023, t. 51.1) Of course, Wong's -5 index is for 4 decks and does not specify if it is for DAS. In Wong's table (1994, p. 91 t. 32) in the case that the rules are OBO or OBBO the Early Surrender It would be -2, but what would be the equivalent index for my case where I have ES10, DAS, 6D and OBBO.

Excuse my English, I only speak Spanish, I'm from Perú and thanks in advance for your answers.

[BJGenius007]

The bonuses are worth 20% in promo chips with each spot hitting every four rounds on average when you bet exactly $25 or $50. That makes it 5% in promo chips overall. As I said above, the promo chips are worth anywhere from almost half their value to almost their full value depending on how you play them. So almost 2.5% to almost 5% of additional EV resulting in a healthy player advantage.

Am I misunderstanding this?

Nope. Your analysis is spot on. I don't think he can use the funny chips on other game but BJ. So it adds 2.5% to his EV.

[BJGenius007]

I have feels this is the croatians blackjack game in Spilt. I hear that they cheatings. They add 5s to the deck when you turn your head away. I do not like play this games.

Are you fellow European?

I read from some other forums that there is a new cheat called 6/6.5D scheme. Basically casino adds 2/3/4/5 of the 7th deck to the 6D BJ. If the deviation play became inaccurate most of the times and the RC or TC in the end of the shoe tends to be more volatile or higher than normal, players should be alerted that small cards like 5's have been added. Even just small amount of cards will change the game dramatically.

[Gronbog]

Dear G Man, I have another question, what could I do with the 8.8 vs T in table 51.1? Which is for an ENHC where all bets are lost if the dealer has a natural. Wong in Professesional Balckjack (1994) mentions: "If you lose all to a natural by the dealer and thus will not split 8-8 against 10, then for 8-8 against 10 use -5,..." (p. 90) Which is more or less the equivalent of the -6 index of Don and Dave (2023, t. 51.1) Of course, Wong's -5 index is for 4 decks and does not specify if it is for DAS. In Wong's table (1994, p. 91 t. 32) in the case that the rules are OBO or OBBO the Early Surrender It would be -2, but what would be the equivalent index for my case where I have ES10, DAS, 6D and OBBO.

Thanks to G Man for bringing this question to my attention.

Because -6 is the index to surrender 8,8 vs T for 6D DAS ES, the whole matter of ENHC vs OBO vs OBBO is irrelevant. The index applies in all cases.

[edit]; Hmmmm scratch that. See below

[Gronbog]

Disregard my previous post. In the case of OBO, the ES index for surrendering 8,8 vs T will certainly be higher than -6 because the value of splitting is much higher for OBO than it is for ENHC. So much so that splitting is preferred over hitting. The index for OBBO may also be affected, but it depends on whether OBBO calls for splitting vs hitting. I don't have an answer for that offhand.

[Cacarulo]

Disregard my previous post. In the case of OBO, the ES index for surrendering 8,8 vs T will certainly be higher than -6 because the value of splitting is much higher for OBO than it is for ENHC. So much so that splitting is preferred over hitting. The index for OBBO may also be affected, but it depends on whether OBBO calls for splitting vs hitting. I don't have an answer for that offhand.

That is correct. It is very different for American rules than for European rules. For example, for 88 vs T, there are 2 indices (Hi-Lo):

If DAS is allowed, the index is -1; however, if NDAS, the index is -2. I am sure that in PBJ, the calculated index is for NDAS.

Another interesting index to analyze is 88 vs 9. In this case, the indices are as follows: +12 for DAS and +8 for NDAS.
Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Gronbog]

Cac, am I correct that your post refers to the typical North American hole card game or OBO for no hole card games?

The OP still needs an index for no hole card OBO games, if you have the time. Specifically 6D DAS ES10 OBBO

[Cacarulo]

Cac, am I correct that your post refers to the typical North American hole card game or OBO for no hole card games?

The OP still needs an index for no hole card OBO games, if you have the time. Specifically 6D DAS ES10 OBBO

Yes, my indices are for the typical North American game with one card face up and one (hole card) face down. Unfortunately, I don't have indices for OBBO.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Cacarulo]

Cac, am I correct that your post refers to the typical North American hole card game or OBO for no hole card games?

The OP still needs an index for no hole card OBO games, if you have the time. Specifically 6D DAS ES10 OBBO

I think the index for OBBO should be positioned between the OBO index (-1) and the ENHC index (-6).
If this is correct, my index for 88vT would be -3. Of course, I need someone to confirm this.

Sincerely,
Cac