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    claim that online casinos are rigged

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    this person from Quora makes a compelling argument - but I am by no means sure it's correct - what is your opinion re the accuracy of his claim___________?__________obviously his claim probably doesn't apply to games dealt live by a human dealer




    " I have played blackjack for decades, all over the planet. From Vegas to Macau, from Atlantic City to Amsterdam, From Barcelona to the Borsch Belt. Read what I am about to write very carefully:


    THESE GAMING SITES THAT ARE ON THE INTERNET ARE ALL - EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM - %100 RIGGED


    The hosting web sites of Draftkings, Wynn, Golden Nugget, FanDual, MGM, et al, that market behind the glitzy stars and celebrities, without exception, subcontract to the “pseudo random number generating” publicly traded shills such as NetVent and SGP. These subcontracted operatives use algorithms that prohibit the player from winning any hand that is deemed ( by computer and player history ) as “substantial”


    What does this mean? Stated simply, all players are profiled by there betting style. The algorithm is then translated to only allow for the lower amount of the player’s bets to win, or “streak”; often accompanied by the software parlance’s congratulatory promos ( ie., “you’ve won 5X in a row”! ). You gain no points for being a valued member, good sport, or whatever con game you run on yourself to rationalize addictive behavior.


    Once that same player has been seduced to raising whatever standard bet they make, BANG, the algorithm clamps it’s virtual teeth: Suddenly, the player is steamrolled by BlackJacks and 6 card 21’s. The algorithm is easily discernible by any seasoned player and, as such, the losses can be limited. For example, by avoiding doubling down, regardless of what the dealer is showing as an up card, and avoiding ALL large chase bets, you are less likely to succumb to the avalanche of highly suspect hard beats. You will never win any money.


    Those who do manage to stay afloat will, in time, succumb to the exorbitantly high play throughs and the ever expanding risk odds of these algorithms; regardless of how traditional the player is or whatever risk tolerance that’s been acquired. Don’t be stupid enough to believe these site’s insistence that they are “regulated”; to grease any politician costs maybe 100K, let alone some in jin Proudfoot on a tribal land.


    Pony up the VIG, folks and stay exclusive to the respective Sportsbook’s. To venture into a virtual casino is an errand solely for the masochistically tolerant.


    Good fortune shines no beacon here."




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    It sure seems that way at times. I got killed many times by doubling up. I must admit I never had a real long winning streak betting $100 a hand, but had many 11 or 12 winning hand streaks betting $10 or $15 a hand. Also on many of these promotions that require $100,000 or more in bets I would say almost 90% of the time I start out winning and then the losing streak happens. In fact, this just happened today. Here is the streak after getting a blackjack on a $30 bet.
    -30
    -30
    -30
    -30
    -60 time to double up and win some money back
    +120 okay won the hand, will keep going at $60 a hand
    -60
    -60
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    -120 not going good, so double up to $120 a hand
    -120
    -120
    -120
    -120
    +120 A teaser with a push. It will probably turn will keep going at $120 a hand
    -120
    -120
    -120
    +240 Ah, a win finally will keep going at $120
    -120
    -120
    -120
    -50 Will cut the bet back. Always win when cut the back bet
    +100 Sure enough won the hand
    -50 Yep, lost again. I quit this game and switch to another
    This losing streak only took 6 minutes of play and I lost $1,200 from my blackjack till the time I gave up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    time to double up and win some money back
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    okay won the hand, will keep going at $60 a hand
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    not going good, so double up to $120 a hand
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    A teaser with a push. It will probably turn will keep going at $120 a hand
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    Ah, a win finally will keep going at $120
    Very disturbing decision making here for a game with a fixed house edge. You're not changing your EV by doing this. You're only increasing your variance and hence your RoR for the promotion.

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    obviously this statement by this person is incorrect - a wild exaggeration - "THESE GAMING SITES THAT ARE ON THE INTERNET ARE ALL - EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM - %100 RIGGED"

    but I don't think that means his entire claim is bs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    Very disturbing decision making here for a game with a fixed house edge. You're not changing your EV by doing this. You're only increasing your variance and hence your RoR for the promotion.
    What do you recommend? Just flat betting?

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    Yes, flat betting.

    I'm assuming that this is a promotion at an online casino where you need to wager some amount in order to release a bonus. You would play these only if the amount of the expected loss is less than the bonus by some amount that is meaningful to you. You should flat bet an amount which balances the amount of time it will take to complete the wagering requirement vs the risk of losing more than the bonus amount. The less you bet, the lower the variance and the closer to the true EV your result will tend to be, but then it takes longer to complete and your hourly win goes down. You need to find the sweet spot which provides an hourly rate which is meaningful to you with RoR which is also reasonable to you (see BJA3 Chapter 8 - trip RoR).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    this person from Quora makes a compelling argument:

    "These subcontracted operatives use algorithms that prohibit the player from winning any hand that is deemed ( by computer and player history ) as 'substantial'"
    He seems to be blaming the RNG, but what he is describing has nothing to do with the RNG. He sounds like another degenerate who doesn't follow basic strategy and complains about being cheated when he loses. The post gives no evidence of cheating whatsoever.

    And since the topic came up, there are some advantages to using a progression system when bonus hustling. A negative progression system will give you lots of small wins with occasional big losses. This can be good for building a bankroll quickly, especially if you are playing a lot of small bonuses where a bustout doesn't hurt much. And when that big loss happens, some casinos will try to lure you back with additional bonuses or promotions. There is nothing they love more than a progression player who is willing to lose big. These additional bonuses act as a loss rebate, so even when you lose you are not losing the full amount.

    Obviously you need to choose your bet size and progression system to suit your bankroll, and a loss rebate is never guaranteed, but it's something to consider.

    -Sonny-

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    There are online casinos with games that are obviously rigged. However, they are very poorly made and lack a reliable license. Online casinos must comply with the laws and regulations of the country in which they operate as well as comply with all laws of third party services. Safe online casinos also have RNG, which ensures that no one knows when, to whom or how much the next win will be.

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    Don't online games still have continuous shuffling after every round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glens View Post
    Don't online games still have continuous shuffling after every round?
    Yes. However, you make your money from the promotions, but even then you don't always win. In fact, I just completed a real good promotion where they offered $2,000 in free credits for playing $100,000. I should have made $1,500 on the promotion, but ended up losing money.

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