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    Quote Originally Posted by DK-Diggity View Post
    Should I be using "Old Complete High-Low"? The other table with +1 I was referencing is "Basic High-Low"
    The index that maximizes the expected value is zero but you can use +1 as the risk aversion index which is preferable.

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    Cac

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    Quote Originally Posted by DK-Diggity View Post
    So then why does mine say +1?
    My advice: if you have software capable of generating indexes such as CV, it is ALWAYS convenient that you generate your own.

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    Cac

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Speaking of flooring, a few weeks ago, I was cashing out chips and it was something like $982. I jokingly said to the cashier, "feel free to round up." She replied, "how about if I floor?"
    I'm surprised a cashier knew that term!
    21forme,

    Were you surprised, or were you floored? ????

    Dog Hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    21forme,

    Were you surprised, or were you floored? ????

    Dog Hand
    Doghand - I found her surprisingly well-rounded for a cashier. I would have expected her math education to be somewhat truncated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Doghand - I found her surprisingly well-rounded for a cashier. I would have expected her math education to be somewhat truncated.
    You’re implying she was a breast of fresh air

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    The index that maximizes the expected value is zero but you can use +1 as the risk aversion index which is preferable.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    The problem with these tables is that index 0.0 is the strike point with EV max of 0.1? It wasn’t to many years ago that A8 v 6 was a basic strategy stand. I would disagree that +1 is a risk averse double believing that the index should be closer to +3. +1 simply doesn’t win enough if the total EV if the play.

    It should be pointed out to newer players that you will win fewer hands doubling this hand, that the additional dollars won is by having more money on the table - easy enough to graph out.

    The double is definitely not for shoestring rolls, though waiting for +3 before doubling gives you a far higher percentage of the expected value. For myself, I’m happy enough from a cover perspective simply to stand - leaving the double for a “steam” situation. I have plenty of other tricks in my shoebox -oh wait - the shoebox is not for money

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    +3 is well above the RA index.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    +3 is well above the RA index.
    I presume at least +2 and I did say “closer” to +3. Having said that, it’s one of those plays, I think, should be used with discretion if you are going to use it.

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    Zero sounds good to me. As for cover, it's arguable wither it is good or bad for cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Zero sounds good to me. As for cover, it's arguable wither it is good or bad for cover.
    So, you’re at 0, Cac is at 1.0 and I’m at 2.0 for RA.

    Go ahead and run a sim at 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 and report back as to %EV captured at respective TC’s. Believe Wong had a truncated value of 1.0 for strike point. Though not interested, I am curious.

    I believe I remarked on other components of the play of relevance to newer players.

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