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    Hi-Lo plus perfect insurance

    Hello everybody,

    The following is a system in which we will use Hi-Lo (it could be any other) in which the only index that we will NOT use from the system is insurance (+3).
    In the case of Insurance we are going to play it perfectly. For this we will use a side count of tens in a way that I have never seen published.
    The idea is simple, although it requires certain calculations that not everyone can do. Without a doubt, it is much easier to keep a side count of aces than one of tens.
    For the simulation, I am going to use the conditions that I usually use: 6D,S17,DOA,DAS,SPA1,SPL3,NS,4.5/6 and R21 indices (R22 minus insurance).
    The indices will be floored and the calculation of remaining decks will be exact.
    The side count of tens will only be used for INSURANCE and the index in this case will be +17.
    We will have a primary count and a secondary count. There are two ways of using this system:

    1)
    PC = -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 (IRC = -96)
    SC = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 96)

    2)
    PC = -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 0)
    SC = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 96)

    The problem with 2) is that the tens are counted twice. On the other hand, strategy decisions only use the primary count.
    In case 1) the decisions require the sum of both counts PC + SC.
    In both cases INSURANCE only uses the SC and for betting we always use Hi-Lo.
    Personally, I prefer method 2).

    Having explained the preliminaries let's get to the SCORES of what we could get by playing Hi-Lo and perfect insurance.

    A) Hi-Lo alone (with insurance at +3)

    SCORE (1-12) = 21.15
    SCORE (1-16) = 25.00

    B) Hi-Lo plus perfect insurance at +17

    SCORE (1-12) = 22.77
    SCORE (1-16) = 26.72

    Almost a 7% more.

    Enjoy!

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    Hello everybody,

    The problem with 2) is that the tens are counted twice.

    Personally, I prefer method 2).
    Very nice Cac!
    This is exactly what I do with the Tens
    Counting down the tens from 96 is easier than people think with a little practice and creativity.
    I also add an ace side count plus a 789 count
    Now do you think you could get a SCORE adding the Ace side count starting at 24?
    So you would start a shoe with 0-24-96 in mind.
    I also think method 2 is better.
    Last edited by Secretariat; 07-14-2022 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Very nice Cac!
    This is exactly what I do with the Tens
    Counting down the tens from 96 is easier than people think with a little practice and creativity.
    I also add an ace side count plus a 789 count
    Now do you think you could get a SCORE adding the Ace side count starting at 24?
    So you would start a shoe with 0-24-96 in mind.
    I also think method 2 is better.
    As I told you before, I am not a fan of complicating counting systems by adding many secondary counts.
    With only one it is more than good and it will depend on the system. For example, for Hi-Lo one can carry a secondary count of aces, or sevens or tens. What are we doing this for?
    In some cases it is done to improve efficiency in the system strategy. In others to improve the efficiency in the betting system.
    Generally the most important thing is to improve the efficiency of the insurance bets since doing this will also improve the betting system.
    In the system I proposed, which could be used in Halves, it is not possible to improve the insurance bets further since the count of tens
    gives you the maximum correlation (1,000). This is the best thing to do regarding Insurance.
    Why complicate yourself with other secondary counts just to improve the SCORE a little?
    I know what your answer will be: "I can keep three or four simultaneous counts." But it's not my way of seeing the game.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    For example, for Hi-Lo one can carry a secondary count of aces, or sevens or tens. What are we doing this for?
    Cac
    We also have to consider that almost every today’s games have side bets. My ASC is mainly for attacking side bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    As I told you before, I am not a fan of complicating counting systems by adding many secondary counts..

    Cac
    I remember that Cac. That's why I only asked about aces and did not mention the 789s.
    Honestly, this is nice work and it can help many players.
    It's nice to see some creativity.

    By the way I added the 4th count during the pandemic
    That's what led me to perfect insurance, the most important gain.
    That's when I found value in double counting the tens

    And to the players that find the 96 "intimidating" there's an easy solution.
    You just need to associate a meaningful image to 96, 95, 93, 92... all the way down.
    It's not that hard.

    Again, nice work Cac!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    And to the players that find the 96 "intimidating" there's an easy solution.
    You just need to associate a meaningful image to 96, 95, 93, 92... all the way down.
    It's not that hard.
    Yeah, keeping 96 different images in your head is a breeze for the average person! Let me respectfully explain something. Perhaps you have a touch of autism or Asperger's in you. Perhaps not. Perhaps you are just somewhat of a prodigy. I had a dear friend, Dan Gordon, who was like that. He would explain how "simple" certain things were to me, and I just had to laugh. So, again, with the greatest of respect for your mental abilities, please understand that when you explain to the average reader that keeping 96 different images in your head is really "not that hard," most people are just going to laugh at you the way I did at Tarzan when he tried to convince me that his charts were really quite easy to implement in real time in a casino.

    You simply aren't understanding.

    Don

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    I will self-police myself and read more. Have a good day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I will self-police myself and read more.
    No you won't. This is a case of repeat and rinse,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    No you won't. This is a case of repeat and rinse,
    Why hasn’t Freightman showed up here for a long time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Why hasn’t Freightman showed up here for a long time?
    If you troll you will be banned.
    "Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    If you troll you will be banned.
    I have no interest for trolling, but sometimes I post a new technique to seek comments from experts here. Often times, this leads to warnings me of trolling. Earlier, I posted my ASC technique saying that it may dictate playing one-hand or two-hand blackjack, but haven’t heard any reasonable comments on it, except Don’s firm no.

    What do you think about my ASC technique?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    What do you think about my ASC technique?
    You want to put this to a vote? I told you it made no sense. You want to see if others disagree with me? Good luck with that.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I have no interest for trolling, but sometimes I post a new technique to seek comments from experts here. Often times, this leads to warnings me of trolling. Earlier, I posted my ASC technique saying that it may dictate playing one-hand or two-hand blackjack, but haven’t heard any reasonable comments on it, except Don’s firm no.

    What do you think about my ASC technique?
    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I will self-police myself and read more. Have a good day!
    So how's this going?

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