Hi-Lo plus perfect insurance

[Cacarulo]

Hello everybody,

The following is a system in which we will use Hi-Lo (it could be any other) in which the only index that we will NOT use from the system is insurance (+3).
In the case of Insurance we are going to play it perfectly. For this we will use a side count of tens in a way that I have never seen published.
The idea is simple, although it requires certain calculations that not everyone can do. Without a doubt, it is much easier to keep a side count of aces than one of tens.
For the simulation, I am going to use the conditions that I usually use: 6D,S17,DOA,DAS,SPA1,SPL3,NS,4.5/6 and R21 indices (R22 minus insurance).
The indices will be floored and the calculation of remaining decks will be exact.
The side count of tens will only be used for INSURANCE and the index in this case will be +17.
We will have a primary count and a secondary count. There are two ways of using this system:

1)
PC = -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 (IRC = -96)
SC = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 96)

2)
PC = -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 0)
SC = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 (IRC = 96)

The problem with 2) is that the tens are counted twice. On the other hand, strategy decisions only use the primary count.
In case 1) the decisions require the sum of both counts PC + SC.
In both cases INSURANCE only uses the SC and for betting we always use Hi-Lo.
Personally, I prefer method 2).

Having explained the preliminaries let's get to the SCORES of what we could get by playing Hi-Lo and perfect insurance.

A) Hi-Lo alone (with insurance at +3)

SCORE (1-12) = 21.15
SCORE (1-16) = 25.00

B) Hi-Lo plus perfect insurance at +17

SCORE (1-12) = 22.77
SCORE (1-16) = 26.72

Almost a 7% more.

Enjoy!

Sincerely,
Cac

[Secretariat]

Hello everybody,

The problem with 2) is that the tens are counted twice.

Personally, I prefer method 2).

Very nice Cac!
This is exactly what I do with the Tens
Counting down the tens from 96 is easier than people think with a little practice and creativity.
I also add an ace side count plus a 789 count
Now do you think you could get a SCORE adding the Ace side count starting at 24?
So you would start a shoe with 0-24-96 in mind.
I also think method 2 is better.

[Secretariat]

Hello everybody,


B) Hi-Lo plus perfect insurance at +17

SCORE (1-12) = 22.77

If we look at the 2017 Gronbog sim comparing Hi-Opt II and Tarzan for the 1/12 spread
here are the SCORES

Hi-Opt II no ASC = 22.69
Hi-Lo Cacarulo 2022 = 22.77
Tarzan Basic = 24.37
Hi-Opt II + ASC = 25.99
Tarzan Expert 27.21
Tarzan Expert + KC 27.65

How much gain could Cacarulo get adding an Ace Side count?
Hi-Opt II gain with ace side count went from 22.69 to 25.99.

That would be interesting to know

[Gramazeka]

As always, Cacarulo work is admirable. Don't forget to upvote posts.

[Cacarulo]

Very nice Cac!
This is exactly what I do with the Tens
Counting down the tens from 96 is easier than people think with a little practice and creativity.
I also add an ace side count plus a 789 count
Now do you think you could get a SCORE adding the Ace side count starting at 24?
So you would start a shoe with 0-24-96 in mind.
I also think method 2 is better.

As I told you before, I am not a fan of complicating counting systems by adding many secondary counts.
With only one it is more than good and it will depend on the system. For example, for Hi-Lo one can carry a secondary count of aces, or sevens or tens. What are we doing this for?
In some cases it is done to improve efficiency in the system strategy. In others to improve the efficiency in the betting system.
Generally the most important thing is to improve the efficiency of the insurance bets since doing this will also improve the betting system.
In the system I proposed, which could be used in Halves, it is not possible to improve the insurance bets further since the count of tens
gives you the maximum correlation (1,000). This is the best thing to do regarding Insurance.
Why complicate yourself with other secondary counts just to improve the SCORE a little?
I know what your answer will be: "I can keep three or four simultaneous counts." But it's not my way of seeing the game.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Cacarulo]

If we look at the 2017 Gronbog sim comparing Hi-Opt II and Tarzan for the 1/12 spread
here are the SCORES

Hi-Opt II no ASC = 22.69
Hi-Lo Cacarulo 2022 = 22.77
Tarzan Basic = 24.37
Hi-Opt II + ASC = 25.99
Tarzan Expert 27.21
Tarzan Expert + KC 27.65

How much gain could Cacarulo get adding an Ace Side count?
Hi-Opt II gain with ace side count went from 22.69 to 25.99.

That would be interesting to know

These comparisons are useless. It's like comparing apples to pears. There are also different initial conditions. It is not the same to compare a system with 200 indices to one that only uses 22.

Sincerely,
Cac

[aceside]

For example, for Hi-Lo one can carry a secondary count of aces, or sevens or tens. What are we doing this for?
Cac

We also have to consider that almost every today’s games have side bets. My ASC is mainly for attacking side bets.

[Secretariat]

As I told you before, I am not a fan of complicating counting systems by adding many secondary counts..

Cac

I remember that Cac. That's why I only asked about aces and did not mention the 789s.
Honestly, this is nice work and it can help many players.
It's nice to see some creativity.

By the way I added the 4th count during the pandemic
That's what led me to perfect insurance, the most important gain.
That's when I found value in double counting the tens

And to the players that find the 96 "intimidating" there's an easy solution.
You just need to associate a meaningful image to 96, 95, 93, 92... all the way down.
It's not that hard.

Again, nice work Cac!

[Secretariat]

These comparisons are useless. It's like comparing apples to pears. There are also different initial conditions. It is not the same to compare a system with 200 indices to one that only uses 22.

Sincerely,
Cac

The rules were pretty much the same (not the indices of course) but I was hoping to "motivate you" to kick HiLo a little higher as you are very talented with sims.
That being said how would you play the game now?
Which main count and which side count would you use?

[DSchles]

And to the players that find the 96 "intimidating" there's an easy solution.
You just need to associate a meaningful image to 96, 95, 93, 92... all the way down.
It's not that hard.

Yeah, keeping 96 different images in your head is a breeze for the average person! Let me respectfully explain something. Perhaps you have a touch of autism or Asperger's in you. Perhaps not. Perhaps you are just somewhat of a prodigy. I had a dear friend, Dan Gordon, who was like that. He would explain how "simple" certain things were to me, and I just had to laugh. So, again, with the greatest of respect for your mental abilities, please understand that when you explain to the average reader that keeping 96 different images in your head is really "not that hard," most people are just going to laugh at you the way I did at Tarzan when he tried to convince me that his charts were really quite easy to implement in real time in a casino.

You simply aren't understanding.

Don

[aceside]

I will self-police myself and read more. Have a good day!

[Secretariat]

Yeah, keeping 96 different images in your head is a breeze for the average person! Let me respectfully explain something. Perhaps you have a touch of autism or Asperger's in you. Perhaps not. Perhaps you are just somewhat of a prodigy. I had a dear friend, Dan Gordon, who was like that. He would explain how "simple" certain things were to me, and I just had to laugh. So, again, with the greatest of respect for your mental abilities, please understand that when you explain to the average reader that keeping 96 different images in your head is really "not that hard," most people are just going to laugh at you the way I did at Tarzan when he tried to convince me that his charts were really quite easy to implement in real time in a casino.

You simply aren't understanding.

Don

I am neither Asperger or a prodigy Don. All I am saying is that with some training you can do things you did not think were possible but if you don't try, you will never know.

For example, someone who like sports can easily remember jersey numbers and athlete's faces and use that for the Ten count. It takes some home practice and maybe its not for everybody. I understand that. But I am sure that some people can try it and find it useful. If they try it and find out they can't use it. Well at least they tried.

I have been in sports performance all my life and I have seen people make unbelievable progress. It can be the same in blackjack.

I understand your point that mental imagery can't be for everybody but everybody can improve at anything with some effort.

Cacarulo came up with a real nice strategy and I was just supporting him and trying to encourage people to try it. I hope you appreciate that.

EDIT
Don, I started this approach with double deck and therefore, 32 Tens. I did not think I could use it at 6D with that big 96 number but after a while I found a way to do it. Those who have access to DD games could begin there.

[Cacarulo]

The rules were pretty much the same (not the indices of course) but I was hoping to "motivate you" to kick HiLo a little higher as you are very talented with sims.
That being said how would you play the game now?
Which main count and which side count would you use?

Of course it can be improved a lot. If instead of using the ten count only for Insurance we also use it for the rest of the plays, the SCORE would increase a lot.
The reality is that there would be little left of Hi-Lo. We would only use it for betting purposes.
We could also use Halves plus the ten count and take advantage of his higher BC. This I estimate would outperform Hi-Opt 2/A.

Sincerely,
Cac