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    AP Blackjack Is Over

    It feels to me like AP blackjack is essentially dead as a concept.

    During the blackjack decades, broadly speaking sixties through nineties, blackjack had a major appeal to smart young guys as a means to make money and avoid the rat race. Barriers to entry were minimal compared to the costs of starting a business. Good games could be found relatively easily. There was an element of myth to this-you always got overexcited nerds writing endless volumes about the subject while doing very little, as if their amazing abstract math skills would actually get them anywhere without capitalization and street knowledge (cue triggered nerds). But there was also an element of truth.

    Nowadays games have deteriorated. There are viable plays but the best opportunities are completely underground now, no one shares that stuff. And it is all so 20th century, expenses, downtime, bricks and mortar. There's so much opportunity online for kids with intelligence that requires little in the way of capitalization.

    The best numbers you hear people pulling are millions of dollars over the best part of a decade. That's going to be people on the extreme of the bell curve. By contrast you look at something utterly banal and well publicized like amazon dropshipping and there are credible, multiple stories of people pulling seven figures in the same time frame. When you look at the more advanced cutting edge stuff eg social arbitrage, you could be talking billions.

    I used to get really excited when I discovered an AP opportunity. I still do, it is intellectually absorbing. But nowadays I then look at my Tesla shares and think "Oh yeah, not worth my time".

    I'm writing this in the hope but not expectation someone will come out with a convincing refutation of all this. I kind of miss being a full-time AP, at least some aspects of it.
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    You wrote not nobody shares stuff. Now it is so easy to find information with internet. In 60-90s without internet you have problems even to find address of a casino

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwantmoney View Post
    You wrote not nobody shares stuff. Now it is so easy to find information with internet. In 60-90s without internet you have problems even to find address of a casino
    I meant high quality information about viable AP opportunities, not garden variety logistical stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archvaldor View Post
    I meant high quality information about viable AP opportunities, not garden variety logistical stuff.
    It seems to me that internet info is not that current and often unreliable, conditions can change in an instant.


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    The main thing is not to stand still

    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-ale...slot-machines/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    The main thing is not to stand still

    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-ale...slot-machines/
    That violates the device laws in many, if not all, countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    That violates the device laws in many, if not all, countries.
    This is provable only if you yourself admit it.
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    Casino cameras have it all what

    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    This is provable only if you yourself admit it.
    Cameras recorded him pressing the buttons how to not admit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    That violates the device laws in many, if not all, countries.
    If he is not interfering with the device physically it is legal in most places. Maybe you can get a clever lawyer to pull the wool over a jury's eyes or something, but device laws as they stand are pretty clear on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archvaldor View Post
    If he is not interfering with the device physically it is legal in most places.
    That's incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    That's incorrect.
    The article is very explicit about the legality of cracking prng's externally. That accords with my understanding of the device laws in the multiple jurisdictions I've studied.

    If you mean the part with the mobile phones clocking the decal velocity, yes that is questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    The main thing is not to stand still

    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-ale...slot-machines/
    Very interesting thanks. I didn't really expect anything that fascinating to emerge from this thread.

    That's actually quite an old idea. I've been experimenting with that stuff since the 90's. But the concept is one thing, if this
    guy is really pulling off that's really impressive.
    I would have thought the slot manufacturers would have essentially solved the problem by now. Wow. I can only recall one
    verifiable instance of a prng hack (on a poker room) that went public though there was more stuff going on underground.


    That said I wonder why this guy does this offline. You need people, travel expenses, have to deal with security. They use
    the same code online (literally the same code) and I'm not sure why he isn't focusing on that. You can buy up Russian id's
    real cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archvaldor View Post
    Very interesting thanks. I didn't really expect anything that fascinating to emerge from this thread.
    http://www.casinoboard.ru/index.php?...id=16&&start=0

    Use translator. It will be very interesting to read)))
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