No one believes card counting works.

[chang04133]

Meaning 1% people believe cc works is too high?

[RS]

99% who don't believe is too high, I think is what they're getting at (ie: 1% is too low).

[chang04133]

Well everyttime I say whether one believes cc work so far 100% said no it doesn't because casino uses too many decks as well as other counter measdddfures

[Shoofly]

Any time I have tried to explain this to close family members, they shake their heads slowly as if to say, "Poor man. Doesn't he know you can't beat the casino." I have quit trying.

[ZenKinG]

Start showing them yearly results year after year and tell them, isnt the casino supposed to win eventually over the long run? But this is assuming that these yearly results are indeed positive LOL

[bossman]

One of my dealers today told me that he has been reading up on counting an 8 deck shoe and can't understand why anyone would bother because there are too many variables.
I took the time to explain how it can make an AP a lot of money. He countered with, "The other day when I went through two shoes and never made a single hand, it wasn't about the count. The players were hitting everything and catching the cards they needed. It was just luck."

Good lord. They not only walk among us, they work for us!

[zengrifter]

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[NoID]

One of my dealers today told me that he has been reading up on counting an 8 deck shoe and can't understand why anyone would bother because there are too many variables.
I took the time to explain how it can make an AP a lot of money. He countered with, "The other day when I went through two shoes and never made a single hand, it wasn't about the count. The players were hitting everything and catching the cards they needed. It was just luck."

Good lord. They not only walk among us, they work for us!

Nice one Bossman! As an AP that travels extensively, you haven't a prayer trying to explain the ins and outs to employees. Welcome to 2013 and total incompetency of the American people. How about all the part time dealers being hired, aren't they just a hoot to work with?
Retire my friend and come on over to the winning side! )))))

[zengrifter]

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[lurppis]

If it wasn't for the fact that Chang had posted elsewhere that he is underage, I would suspect that the OP was motivated by observations of ploppies. It seems that the largest group of counting deniers are the people who play the game without counting, for whom pride in their own methods of play relies on the non-existence of a genuine winning play.

I think this might go part-way to explaining bossman's observations as well - blackjack dealers tend to spend unhealthy amounts of time around blackjack players. That, and the fact that dealers see so many hands, they're bound to think that they have figured out how the game works, when in fact there's usually lots of selective memory and confirmation bias happening.

[chang04133]

If it wasn't for the fact that Chang had posted elsewhere that he is underage, I would suspect that the OP was motivated by observations of ploppies. It seems that the largest group of counting deniers are the people who play the game without counting, for whom pride in their own methods of play relies on the non-existence of a genuine winning play.

I think this might go part-way to explaining bossman's observations as well - blackjack dealers tend to spend unhealthy amounts of time around blackjack players. That, and the fact that dealers see so many hands, they're bound to think that they have figured out how the game works, when in fact there's usually lots of selective memory and confirmation bias happening.

Don't take it serious. This is more of a sarcastic approach.

[21gunsalute]

One of my dealers today told me that he has been reading up on counting an 8 deck shoe and can't understand why anyone would bother because there are too many variables.
I took the time to explain how it can make an AP a lot of money. He countered with, "The other day when I went through two shoes and never made a single hand, it wasn't about the count. The players were hitting everything and catching the cards they needed. It was just luck."

Good lord. They not only walk among us, they work for us!

Uh, why would you be discussing such things with a dealer?

[UK-21]

Didn't you watch Rainman. The casino personnel said no one can count into a 6 deck shoe. It must be true.

It is. At a table I was playing at once, the dealer was chatting about her job and the game with the only other player. When he asked if she thought she'd ever had a card counter at her table she responded with (or words to the effect) ". . . card counting doesn't work here because we use six decks". That statement left me with a warm glow.