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    All is peachy keen for me, aside from not being in a casino for the last couple of years so I don't get anyone's Covid cooties on me. I don't post that much because of being preoccupied by large-breasted Swedish massage girls off in my jungle lair in conjunction with the fact that there's little I can post that will be of any help to anyone because my knowledge is very specific to T count and just isn't very applicable for most people. I've never done a specific side count on (7)'s, but when a side bet scenario is available, such as the Lucky Lucky side bet, I'm looking for a deck composition fingerprint that fits wagering on it. On the (7)'s, I am abreast of middle cards with a specific count on (6)'s, but when it comes to (7)'s, I think in terms of "Seen lots of (7) come out of the deck" and "Haven't seen a lot of (7) come out of the deck", which is the "Use the force, Luke" Star Wars method. Same with the (9). I don't necessarily have an exact count of these. If you were to watch me demonstrate what I do procedurally, laying out the last 10 of so cards out of the deck, in the remaining cards I'll know the exact number of {2-5}, the ratio of (2,3) to (4,5) within the {2-5} grouping, the exact number of {6-9} and the breakdown of how many are (6), how many are (7-9). Beyond that, when it comes to (7), (9) I don't keep an exact count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    ... in conjunction with the fact that there's little I can post that will be of any help to anyone because my knowledge is very specific to T count and just isn't very applicable for most people. .
    Here's a question that could be of interest to all. Considering your superior efficiency and your risk averse approach Tarzan, how many big bets do you keep in your active bankroll? Would also be nice to know how that ratio of big bets/bankroll changed over the years as you perfected your art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Here's a question that could be of interest to all. Considering your superior efficiency and your risk averse approach Tarzan, how many big bets do you keep in your active bankroll? Would also be nice to know how that ratio of big bets/bankroll changed over the years as you perfected your art.
    Over 200 range in recent years, I like lots of cushion, but I have always avoided carrying more than about 10% of my bankroll at any one place at any one time. I always think in terms of a trip bankroll for the day(s). This is due to some of the horror stories that have befallen others. You have a target on your back if you are stumbling around casinos carrying a wheelbarrow full of cash. My bankroll has grown steadily but halved out a couple of times along the way, very typical, and the reason why you need enough money backing you. No one is bullet proof, me included, and I've had occasion to walk into a hotel room of fellow counters and say, "Well, the greatest fucking card-counter in the world just got his ass kicked for $10,000 in about an hour!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan
    "Well, the greatest fucking card-counter in the world just got his ass kicked for $10,000 in about an hour!"[/B]
    That's Rock'n roll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    I'll know the exact number of {2-5}, the ratio of (2,3) to (4,5) within the {2-5} grouping, the exact number of {6-9} and the breakdown of how many are (6), how many are (7-9). Beyond that, when it comes to (7), (9) I don't keep an exact count.
    Sorry Don, but Tarzan triggered my curiosity here.

    OK, Tarzan Basic is not that hard for anyone willing to practice it but what you’re talking about here, is the Tarzan count at its highest level. I am trying to figure out what’s going on in your mind, Tarzan.

    Let’s say you’re using Tarzan Basic and for example, you’re playing six deck and the T-count is 10-4-0-12 at approximately the three-deck level. There’s no way to know exactly how many cards of each denomination are left in the shoe except from 12 aces. With Tarzan Basic in this case, you also know that you should take insurance with the dealer showing an ace but you don’t know the exact number of 2-5s, 6-9s and Tens.

    I’m trying to figure out how you mentally figure out the exact number of cards left.
    My guess is that your 5th count (the exact count of 4s and 5s?) leads you to that. So let’s say there are 18x45s left and you also know that there are four more 23s than 45s, that gives you a total of 18+22 = 40 x 2345s. From there you can easily determine that there are six more 6789s left for a total of 46 x 6789s and four more tens than 6789s for a total of 50 tens.

    Doing that quickly is another story though. This is much more difficult than Tarzan Basic.

    So the absolute deck composition is 40-46-50-12 with a total of 148 cards left, just slightly less than three full decks.

    Plus, you have a sixth “exact” count, the 6s, from which you can calculate the exact number of 789s left in the shoe.

    Is that how you do it Tarzan? Keeping six counts and deriving more specific information from it?
    Last edited by Secretariat; 05-20-2022 at 10:46 AM.

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