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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    you are just looking for a 2-deck handheld game where the manual or machine shuffle procedure doesn't involve a turn and the cards are sortable. Can this really be rare?
    Of course it is!!
    How many sorting confirmed AP opportunities do you know exist in the world?
    Or anyone else for that matter?
    It is indeed VERY rare to find them.
    For the average AP, just confirming that the machine used does not include a turn would be a very difficult task to undertake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    People often asked me, in the wake of Ivey's trial and my service as Ivey's expert, if I thought edge sorting was legal advantage play. My response was that edge sorting lives in a gray area and the courts will decide in due time.

    I'd say either baccarat, blackjack or 3CP are the best scenarios. But blackjack may be easiest and the most widely available. You don't need to pay $25k to find it -- you are just looking for a 2-deck handheld game where the manual or machine shuffle procedure doesn't involve a turn and the cards are sortable. Can this really be rare?

    Back in 2002 I demonstrated edge sorting to LVBear. But those were the days of superstar 3CP flashers, so we played a different game. FFS, this play has been going on for a long time.
    If i remember correctly for blackjack this was specifically called "The Turn"
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    Quote Originally Posted by iCountNTrack View Post
    If i remember correctly for blackjack this was specifically called "The Turn"
    A bit of history ...

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    Casino Management (Bill Friedman, 1982, page 44)

    “I examined the decks for three hours before I found a mark that was being put on inadvertently by the manufacturer. A small diamond at one end of each card was shaped slightly differently from its counterpart at the opposite end. I notified the manufacturing company, which agreed to replace its ten-year-old printing plates with new ones and offered to sell the existing decks to the casino at half price. I accepted this offer and put in a simple control to prevent these one-way decks from being used to cheat the house. A thief uses a one-way deck by turning the end with the defect in one direction for the big cards and the opposite direction for the small cards. As a precaution, every time the dealers shuffled they were required to turn the top half of the deck from one end to the other, randomizing any effort by a thief to take advantage of a one-way deck."

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    Stanford Wong’s Blackjack Newsletters (Stanford Wong, Volume 5, 1983, page 45)

    “Examine the two ends of the back of a Bee card. Are they identical? In some decks they are, but in others every card in the deck has a leading edge that is easily distinguishable from the trailing edge. Friedman suggests that as you play at a game with such cards, you align each card so that the backs of the cards have meaning to you. Friedman did not use his system himself, and I have not tried it in a casino. Thus sorting edges probably is untested as a blackjack system, though a variation of it has been used in poker. However, I can confirm that some, but not all, Bee cards currently being used in casinos have nonidentical edges.

    Of course you must be able to get a good look at either the next card to be dealt or the dealer's hole card to use the information in the sorted edges. Most dealers show you neither the back of the pack nor the hole card long enough for you to read the edge. However, some dealers show you the front edge of the hole card when checking for a natural. There are other problems too. You have to work out a method of turning a card end for end without being obvious about what you are doing. The dealer will maintain your alignment of the cards, except that some dealers rotate part of the deck during the shuffle, the countermeasure suggested by Friedman. However, pitching a card to a customer often rotates it. This means the aligning process must be continuous, so you will either have to play head-on or with friends who align the cards the same way you do."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    A bit of history ...
    Gold.
    Thanks for sharing Eliot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Gold.
    Thanks for sharing Eliot.
    Of course, Scarne knew everything:

    “Here's another thing you'll have to remember. Don't play with cards on whose backs are pictures or designs which, when the cards are reversed, will be upside down . . . It seems obvious, but Edgar Allan Poe isn't the only man who knew that the more obvious a device is, the less likely it is to be discovered.” -- Scarne on Cards (John Scarne, 1954, page 23)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Hi everyone.
    Im selling a tip about a very big edge sorting opportunity.
    Price: $25.000 usd

    The play needs to be attacked by a 6 member team (or 5 at least), so if you are a team owner or manager this is a great opportunity for you.
    If you are solo players you can also team up.
    Max bet on each spot (6 total) is around $600, so EV is massive.
    I myself with a team of 6 played the opportunity in 2016 and won very big before we got backed off.
    After a couple of years I was able to confirm that conditions in that casino didnt change and I sold the tip to a player from my country.
    He arranged a team with 4 friends (who were not APs by the way) and after training they won even more than we did.
    They lasted longer because they were able to learn from some of the mistakes we made the first time there. Eventually got backed off.

    I was able to confirm not long ago that conditions still remain the same, so the opportunity is still there for somebody to grab it.

    PLEASE DONT WASTE MY TIME (OR YOURS) MAKING PROPOSITIONS LIKE TEAMING UP, OR BEING PARTNERS IN PROFITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
    IF YOU CANT PAY 25K THEN THIS IS NOT FOR YOU.
    THIS IS FOR SERIOUS TEAMS / PLAYERS THAT ARE WELL BANKROLLED.
    Im retired from Blackjack and have no interest in working with a team.
    If you want the information, you pay, and then you get it
    Along with the information about the location I will tell you everything you will need about how to win there, including the strategy we used (unless you want to come up with a better one of your own), but most importantly, the cover strategy you should use to be able to play long (the second team that went and played there after us was able to play for 7 more days than we did with this strategy).
    You WILL need to dedicate some time for training together as a team.
    If you get together at the location before playing for example, one week of training should be more than enough.
    Also, counting skills are not required.
    If you have a friend or girlfriend that knows his way around a blackjack table he can easily be trained to be a member of the team.

    This is probably one of the most profitable one-shot opportunities out there.
    If some of you guys that play solo want to team up and pay say $5000 each I have no problem with that.

    Im a long time member of this board and a very serious AP (or ex AP now).
    Many of the old time members here know me, some of them personally.
    This is 100% real and for the amount of money that can be made yhere, $25k is a bargain.
    You wont get a better deal than that.

    If interested email me: [email protected]

    Cheers!
    The last time I was offered a bargain, it ended up costing a fortune. I predict you will get very few if any takers. If you wanna call me a cynic, feel free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    The last time I was offered a bargain, it ended up costing a fortune. I predict you will get very few if any takers. If you wanna call me a cynic, feel free!
    Cynic.
    Just kidding.

    Well, there are bargains and bargains.
    Seems kind of dumb to me to assume that because one bargain didnt work for you none will for everybody else.
    That is indeed a strange logic for an AP to have.

    Fortunately enough I have a very positive track record and a good enough reputation in the AP world to be taken seriously and for how things are going I doubt your prediction will become true.
    During my active days I payed quite a few times for information and every single one of them won money.

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    It's called being on a lucky streak. The problem is your golden opportunity is not guaranteed to last long. If too many get involved, it's bound to implode due to over saturation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    It's called being on a lucky streak. The problem is your golden opportunity is not guaranteed to last long. If too many get involved, it's bound to implode due to over saturation.
    Good point.
    Maybe I should have clarified that the information is only going to be sold ONCE (to one team or one AP).

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    That's what I assumed.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Good point.
    Maybe I should have clarified that the information is only going to be sold ONCE (to one team or one AP).
    Well, I wrongly assumed you are a greedy AP. I never met one who wasn't. My hat's off to you, sir! Tally Ho!
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