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    Cvdata application

    can i use CVdata for other games or non blackjack sidebets?

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    BJ side bets. Not side bets on other games.
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    Can we select or set up a Casino Verite count for Spanish 21? Could we enter Katrina Walker's counting strategy into Casino Verite?

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    Yes and yes. Katrina's book talks about this.
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    K-A-T-A-R-I-N-A

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    I recently posted this question on another forum but haven’t got a satisfying answer. For an 8-deck shoe game, the probability of a blackjack is 4.745%. What is the probability of a player’s blackjack when player only plays at true count TC>=+1?

    Can somebody use CVData to find this number? With this number, I will estimate the
    player's edge portion gained from additional blackjacks. Suppose the wonging condition is still TC>=+1 and player flat bets all the way, and the deck penetration is 6/8. Thank you in advance!


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    Yes, CVData handles these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Yes, CVData handles these.
    Great answer!

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    I thought about this again and come up with a second question. For an 8-deck shoe game, the probability of a blackjack is 4.745%. What is the probability of a dealer’s blackjack at true count TC>=+3?

    With this number, we can easily calculate the player’s edge gain from counting the insurance side bet. We have many experts here. Please help!

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    Is there a particular reason you want to know this? In any event, edge for the insurance bet depends, of course, on the bet spread. If, instead, you're asking what the additional edge is to the flat-betting basic strategy player who does nothing but insure, that can be easily simulated.

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    There is a particular reason for this question, that is, to understand how does card counting work particularly. I just want to know different portions of the player’s edge from wonging by counters. If I am confident with these portions, I will definitely bet a lot more next time in a casino. For simplicity, we consider flat-betting only. Thank you for your time!
    Last edited by aceside; 03-10-2022 at 10:09 AM.

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    Your question doesn't make a great deal of sense. You've been posted 741 times here, and now you want to know why card counting works? You need to be convinced that, as the count goes higher, a player's edge increases, before you're willing to bet more money? I don't get it.

    The edge increases in every aspect of the game with higher counts: you get more naturals, your doubles are more successful, your splits are most successful, your insurance bets win a greater percentage of the time, and when the dealer shows a small card, he breaks more frequently (although he breaks less frequently overall). I've never seen each of these areas broken down to percentages, according to the count. Just not sure why it's important to you. Do you really need to know what they are to convince yourself that card counting works?

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    I’ve been thinking how to answer your question. I asked two questions in this thread l, but really only one question, how does the probability of a blackjack vary with the HiLo true count. The answer to this question might kill two birds in one stone in blackjack, to find two different edge portions of wonging counters. I believe this question can be solved analytically, but it should be easily solved by CVData simulation.

    Although I’ve posted hundreds times here, my focus has been using blackjack as a transportation tool for countable side bets. Insurance is such a side bet, like lucky ladies, but it’s exact edge portion is still not clear to me, and it has made me less confident in pushing forward my chip piles in a casino. This forum is exactly what I want.

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