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    The range is created dynamically by looking at hand frequencies. At fringe counts, the charts can get weird.
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    Sounds like you and Don are in agreement. The play is rare enough to miss the cut for CVIndex and therefore rare enough not to matter.

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    Yes. CVIndex will reject an index that is obviously incorrect once enough hands are collected for that index relative to the EV difference. That would not apply to the counts that are fringe as they don't fit that criterion. So, it does track the fringe counts. It just doesn't report them if the are distant from the selected index.

    BTW, I had thought of adding lines for RA indices. Problem is that they are not in EV units and would just be confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester View Post
    Off thread with apologies; am I going to in a predicament if I use a friend's player card? I have friends who play but don't counter, and other friends who would willingly sign up and lend their player's cards. Getting back into blackjack after years off: it's way harder than I remember. Reading Blackjack Attack ...I can already see many errors I was making back in the day, especially as far as outlasting my welcome.
    On the good news side, Spanish 21's not so different as I thought and BJ Verite sets it up with 2 button clicks. I assume good counters are fluent in both Spanish 21 and BJ. I only did BJ before. I want longevity.
    Nowadays, in most casinos, when the PB swipes your card, a picture appears on their console. Best way to play anonymously.

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    good advice

    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Nowadays, in most casinos, when the PB swipes your card, a picture appears on their console. Best way to play anonymously.

    I see, on their console. I never would have suspected that. That would have been so embarrassing as I do not look at like my pals. I'll play anonymously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    No problem, the indices are "almost" the same:

    2D,SPL3,DAS,Hi-Lo

    44 vs 4 if index >= +3 --> ALWAYS SPLIT
    44 vs 5 if index >= -1 --> ALWAYS SPLIT
    44 vs 6 if index >= -2 --> SPLIT and if index >= +12 --> DD

    2D,SPL3,NDAS,Hi-Lo

    44 vs 4 if index >= +7 --> ALWAYS DD
    44 vs 5 if index >= +4 --> ALWAYS DD
    44 vs 6 if index >= +2 --> ALWAYS DD

    Now, If you're not allowed to DD on a total of eight then you have to split if:

    44 vs 4 if index >= +13 --> ALWAYS SPLIT
    44 vs 5 if index >= +8 --> ALWAYS SPLIT
    44 vs 6 if index >= +19 --> ALWAYS SPLIT

    Hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    This is great! Thank you first of all. There is something I don’t understand. A couple of months ago, here we discussed the split/hit indices for the hands 6,6 vs 7 and 7,7 vs 8 for the 2-deck DAS game, and Don said that these two indices vary a lot with the number of decks being used. However, this does not seem like the case for the hands of 4,4 vs 4 and 4,4 vs 5 regarding the split/double decisions. Can somebody explain the difference?

    By the way, I haven’t seen any 6-deck non-DAS games anywhere, so 6-deck DAS games and 2-deck DAS or non-DAS games are my interest.
    Last edited by aceside; 03-04-2022 at 08:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    This is great! Thank you first of all. There is something I don’t understand. A couple of months ago, here we discussed the split/hit indices for the hands 6,6 vs 7 and 7,7 vs 8 for the 2-deck DAS game, and Don said that these two indices vary a lot with the number of decks being used. However, this does not seem like the case for the hands of 4,4 vs 4 and 4,4 vs 5 regarding the split/double decisions. Can somebody explain the difference?

    By the way, I haven’t seen any 6-deck non-DAS games anywhere, so 6-deck DAS games and 2-deck DAS or non-DAS games are my interest.

    Well, I haven't seen the thread since I'm new to the forum

    However, for 2D,DAS,SPL3 here you have some Hi-Lo indices:

    66v7 ==> SPLIT if index < +3 and HIT if index >= +3.
    77v8 ==> SPLIT if index < +12 and SURRENDER otherwise.

    2D,NDAS,SPL3

    66v7 ==> Always HIT
    77v8 ==> HIT if index < +10 and SURRENDER otherwise.

    Hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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