See the top rated post in this thread. Click here

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 19

Thread: Manually calculating betspreads and RoR?

  1. #1


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No

    Manually calculating betspreads and RoR?

    I am a 19 year old novice at card counting (18 is the legal age to enter casinos here in mexico). I played a few months as a gambler before discovering counting as a way to gain an edge. After it, I stopped going to casinos and comitted to learning and training. Being a little bit attracted to a mental challenge i decided to use hi opt 2 as my first counting method (with ASC). So far my training is going well, being able to count a full deck within 30 seconds. I also use the Casino verite games phone app side counting aces up to 8 decks. I feel like my game is almost ready for casino play but i will not go until i add at list the illustrious 18 indexes to my play (i also don't have my full initial bankroll ready hahaha, so while i get the money i still have plenty of time to practice). Now here comes the problem, my initial bankroll will be of 40,000 mexican pesos (roughly 2,000 dollars). The minimum bet in almost every mexican casino is 50 mexican pesos (2.5 dollars aprox). I want to get cvcx to calculate my betspread and risk easily, but right now i am focusing on earning the larger amount which is my bankroll, being temporarily unable to buy cvcx. Is there a way to calculate risk and betspreads manually? Just this first time, for the sake of adding the betspread to my training (because i play in the app making random betspreads on high counts hahah) if there is not, then i am willing to buy cvcx right now even if that means extending my bankroll earning time, but i hope there is a way. Needless to say, if you have any advice for me regarding other things not related with betspreads and risk, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading.

  2. #2


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    There isn't really a way to calculate that for yourself for blackjack, it's a complicated game.

    But if you post the rules you'll be playing, the conditions of the game, I (among many others) could run a sim for you on CVCX.

  3. #3


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Is there a way to calculate risk and betspreads manually?
    Kinda Sorta. Three issues.

    First, you have a bankroll of $2000, a game with with a min bet of $2.50 and let’s say max bets of either $25 or $30 with either a 10-1 or 12-1 spread. That works out to either 80 or 67 max bets respectively. Regardless of anything you’re likely running a higher ROR as your bankroll will not take the variance well on a shoestring roll. Mind you, it seems that you’re replenishable which does reduce ROR.

    Second, what are the rules that apply to your gameplay. Every rule has either a minus or plus factor for either the house or the player - obviously what is plus for you is minus for the house and vice versa. From these details, you can determine house edge. Further, from house edge, you will be able to calculate your spread.

    Third, how many decks are there in total and what is the deck penetration. Combined

    From these 3 factors, you will be able to determine house edge, which relates to your 10-1, 12-1, or even higher spread. For my regular game, I know house edge and easily determine min spreads required to beat, play higher spreads as tolerated.

    Check Wizard of Odds, Google Blackjack rule variations (I think), and calculate your house edge. Then report back for next step.

  4. #4


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Thanks for your answer freightman. I calculated the edge on wizard of odds for the two games i will be playing. Both have same rules but one is 6 deck and the other one is an 8 deck game. 6 deck game has a 0.33051 house edge and 8 deck has a 0.35514 house edge. S17, DAS, Double on any first two cards, No Ace resplitting nor hitting split aces, Late surrender allowed (actually i think mine is early surrender but the calculator did not offer this option), and Blackjack pays 3 to 2. Deck penetration on the 6 deck game is about one and a half decks, and in the 8 deck game it is between one and a half and two decks penetetration depending on the dealer. I hope this is enough for the next step.
    About my bankroll being kind of replenishable, i may be able to add about one or two max bets to the roll each week in a 1-10 spread scenario.

  5. #5


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Thanks for helping pitboss, if you can then it would be great, my rules are S17, DAS, Double on any first two cards, No Ace resplitting nor hitting split aces, Late surrender allowed (I think it is early surrender but this confuses me a little bit), Blackjack pays 3 to 2.
    I will play two different games, same rules but a 6 deck with one and a half decks penetration and an 8 deck with two decks penetration.

  6. #6


    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    It’s just too early for a 19 year old to learn gambling, in my opinion. Also, blackjack rules have been changing all the time.

  7. #7


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    It’s a hell of a game with decent pen. Very playable. I would preferred 6 deck. I will assume crowded conditions as low mine. Out for lunch with the wife. Will look at further in a couple of hours.

    Would comment that your true skills are untested if you’re using ASC, consider the regaled FBM ASC and that hi opt 2 with ASC for a newbie is really tough. Congrats if you’ve mastered. Watch out if you haven’t.

  8. #8


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by joeAsecas View Post
    (I think it is early surrender but this confuses me a little bit),
    The difference between the two is enormous, so before any sim can be done, you HAVE to know which it is. With ES, you may surrender your hand BEFORE the dealer checks to see if he has a blackjack. With LS, when the dealer shows an ace or ten, he will first check to see if he has a blackjack. If he does, you may NOT surrender your hand.

    Don

  9. #9


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    [QUOTE=DSchles;299770]The difference between the two is enormous, so before any sim can be done, you HAVE to know which it is. With ES, you may surrender your hand BEFORE the dealer checks to see if he has a blackjack. With LS, when the dealer shows an ace or ten, he will first check to see if he has a blackjack. If he does, you may NOT surrender your hand.

    Still having lunch. OP suggest .33 House edge. Since Wizard of Odds does not provide cost on full ES, then .33 is still one hell of a game. If Full ES, then it’s magnificent.

    Don[/QUOTE

    Like I said, still having lunch you’ll figure out my comments

  10. #10


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Now i understand, it is early surrender, but not against an ace upcard, only tens and any other card. Against ace you can only insure and then late surrender if there was no blackjack. So maybe the house advantage is a bit less? also, what does FBM mean hahaha? About the ace sidecount i am going well, but still slow at adding them to the count for betting.
    Last edited by joeAsecas; 09-21-2021 at 03:18 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Calculating N0
    By PitBoss321 in forum Software
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-09-2021, 06:35 AM
  2. calculating EV from sim
    By Super Natural in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10-11-2020, 04:30 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-19-2020, 09:24 PM
  4. Calculating N0
    By blueman in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 03-22-2018, 10:04 AM
  5. Help calculating EV
    By bjarg in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 04-18-2012, 03:30 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

About Blackjack: The Forum

BJTF is an advantage player site based on the principles of comity. That is, civil and considerate behavior for the mutual benefit of all involved. The goal of advantage play is the legal extraction of funds from gaming establishments by gaining a mathematic advantage and developing the skills required to use that advantage. To maximize our success, it is important to understand that we are all on the same side. Personal conflicts simply get in the way of our goals.