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[Freightman]

To lower expenses, I use room comps, camping in national forests, sleeping in my car, and bringing a cooler with foods from home. I eat lots of fresh, organic foods and take NMN, trans-resveratrol, and other supplements for health. I currently drive a Prius, which I paid cash for four years ago. It has 180,000 miles on it from blackjack travel. I just paid cash for a new Tesla, which will be my next blackjack car. My bankroll is over $200k now, which puts all of my games at 0.0% RoR. This minimizes the effect of variance. Blackjack is my "profession," but I do derive supplemental income from investments (including crypto).

The food issue is very important and it appears that you have that covered nicely. I would be concerned about security as in sleeping in the car with a substantial trip roll. I’m certainly hoping that shower and toilet facilities are nearby and easily accessible. Further, are there any negative legalities should cops knock on your window while you’re sleeping - firstly from a fine perspective and secondly the potential of civil asset forfeiture.

For myself, roughing it is a cheap motel which I prefer to bypass. Clean secure and reasonable accommodation (just me) or better type accommodation if my wife is with me. I try my best to ignore junk food and I’m usually aware of better restaurants within my area of travel. Also, accommodation must be central to my area of play. I’m not as young as I used to be and if I’m tired and need to nap - hotel room should be close by.

For you, it’s straight business and quantity of hours played would be a priority. You’re raising a family. I’m more interested in quality of hours. I like to be clean, (not necessarily well dressed) relaxed and rested. I want to play my A game. I fully understand that our priorities are different. I don’t look like a bum, have a roll that wouldn’t belong to a bum, don’t bet like a bum. Blackjack trips are not necessarily pure revenue generation. I have had some excellent family trips and played some blackjack as a cost reducer. These would include wife son and daughter in law in Vegas, eating well and shows like Jersey Boys, Phantom, and Michael Jackson (thought that one was lousy). Another trip to Vegas with my son again eating well and seeing shows. Another one fairly close to home with one of my boys and 2 grandsons. That was pre planned with amusement park type activities for the grandkids. My family rules are that I pick up all expenses. In reality, only about 95%. For humor sake with my son in Vegas, my wife insured an equitable division of expense. I 9nly had to worry about airfare, hotel car rental and most meals. My son was burdened with the IHOP breakfast.

[Chaconne]

Part of what has given me longevity in so many places is that I approach each casino as if I'm a local, even if it's in a different state. I adopt certain looks and personae specific to each casino. In sawdust joints, I'm a degenerate bum. In a resort, I'm a country clubbing tennis player.

[Raybabyray]

To lower expenses, I use room comps, camping in national forests, sleeping in my car, and bringing a cooler with foods from home. I eat lots of fresh, organic foods and take NMN, trans-resveratrol, and other supplements for health. I currently drive a Prius, which I paid cash for four years ago. It has 180,000 miles on it from blackjack travel. I just paid cash for a new Tesla, which will be my next blackjack car. My bankroll is over $200k now, which puts all of my games at 0.0% RoR. This minimizes the effects from variance. Blackjack is my "profession," but I do derive supplemental income from investments (including crypto).

I cannot agree more. Before I started, I imagine if I get $400k profit annually, why bother saving money on food and hotel. After I started myself, I’d drive my car, sleep in my car, pack food for trip if I have the chance. Or my first 10-15 hours of play is to pay for all the spendings.


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[Raybabyray]

Part of what has given me longevity in so many places is that I approach each casino as if I'm a local, even if it's in a different state. I adopt certain looks and personae specific to each casino. In sawdust joints, I'm a degenerate bum. In a resort, I'm a country clubbing tennis player.

Very Essential. Casinos are very aware of big rollers from out of town who doesn’t want to use players card.


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[Raybabyray]

The food issue is very important and it appears that you have that covered nicely. I would be concerned about security as in sleeping in the car with a substantial trip roll. I’m certainly hoping that shower and toilet facilities are nearby and easily accessible. Further, are there any negative legalities should cops knock on your window while you’re sleeping - firstly from a fine perspective and secondly the potential of civil asset forfeiture.

For myself, roughing it is a cheap motel which I prefer to bypass. Clean secure and reasonable accommodation (just me) or better type accommodation if my wife is with me. I try my best to ignore junk food and I’m usually aware of better restaurants within my area of travel. Also, accommodation must be central to my area of play. I’m not as young as I used to be and if I’m tired and need to nap - hotel room should be close by.

For you, it’s straight business and quantity of hours played would be a priority. You’re raising a family. I’m more interested in quality of hours. I like to be clean, (not necessarily well dressed) relaxed and rested. I want to play my A game. I fully understand that our priorities are different. I don’t look like a bum, have a roll that wouldn’t belong to a bum, don’t bet like a bum. Blackjack trips are not necessarily pure revenue generation. I have had some excellent family trips and played some blackjack as a cost reducer. These would include wife son and daughter in law in Vegas, eating well and shows like Jersey Boys, Phantom, and Michael Jackson (thought that one was lousy). Another trip to Vegas with my son again eating well and seeing shows. Another one fairly close to home with one of my boys and 2 grandsons. That was pre planned with amusement park type activities for the grandkids. My family rules are that I pick up all expenses. In reality, only about 95%. For humor sake with my son in Vegas, my wife insured an equitable division of expense. I 9nly had to worry about airfare, hotel car rental and most meals. My son was burdened with the IHOP breakfast.

I appreciate your statement about different people have different objectives.

I think it is easy to pickup additional $50k a year doing counting or whatever as long as one is welling to put up more time. But for someone aiming 7 figures, straight counting will simply take many many years.


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[CharlotteHoffman]

I appreciate the sharing. This is very realistic out come in my opinion.

I just want to warn people, these legendary story can’t be easily repeated. I don’t know if someone can still drop 2500 hours a year and get more than half a million out of the casino any more.


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Oh!
Had not see all these this way, so insightful.

[Raybabyray]

Oh!
Had not see all these this way, so insightful.

I hope you are not being sarcastic. A lot of stories are made out to be someone making millions within a couple of years. Maybe couple years ago with straight counting, I’m pretty certain not any more. Especially, if someone already making over $100k/yr, this might not worthy of anything beyond part time.


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[Freightman]

Raybabyray said

So within 100 hours of purely of game play, while traveling across states, with $50K bankroll, I burnt out every casino within 8 states next to where I live. I still have my identities well covered, but my pictures must be everywhere and my solo game is completely dead.

You come across as a total (possibly robotic) slash and burn player. I don’t know how long you’ve played, but subtlety, artistry and basic common sense - basically milking stores over the long haul still makes very good money and keeps you playing for the long term. Stores don’t particularly like it when they think you view them as an ATM. Makes for a short career, especially when your bankroll is limited to (believe you said) 50k.

Almost all of my back offs are based are cumulative dollar wins. I’ve played for years and have made a substantial amount of money.

[Raybabyray]

Raybabyray said


You come across as a total (possibly robotic) slash and burn player. I don’t know how long you’ve played, but subtlety, artistry and basic common sense - basically milking stores over the long haul still makes very good money and keeps you playing for the long term. Stores don’t particularly like it when they think you view them as an ATM. Makes for a short career, especially when your bankroll is limited to (believe you said) 50k.

Almost all of my back offs are based are cumulative dollar wins. I’ve played for years and have made a substantial amount of money.

Thanks for sharing. Do you mind sharing more information?

What are your EV and bet spread can you get away playing long term?

Do you travel and if so how do you manage the cost?

Do you use players card?

Do you employ other advantage play besides blackjack counting?


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[Raybabyray]

Raybabyray said


You come across as a total (possibly robotic) slash and burn player. I don’t know how long you’ve played, but subtlety, artistry and basic common sense - basically milking stores over the long haul still makes very good money and keeps you playing for the long term. Stores don’t particularly like it when they think you view them as an ATM. Makes for a short career, especially when your bankroll is limited to (believe you said) 50k.

Almost all of my back offs are based are cumulative dollar wins. I’ve played for years and have made a substantial amount of money.

$50k is not a lot of bankroll. But I hold a full time job, and I can make that up relatively easily. Plus, I’m not here to complaining a losing strike or expressing my frustration of lacking bankroll.

What upset me is we can’t get really good action any more. I felt like, $300x2 is the most amount even some less sweaty casino is willing to tolerate. As soon as I make more than $10K in a session, casino will look at me really hard and ask me to leave.

Seriously, we have too much crazy stories. Enough of that. I started this topic just want to find out, realistically, at this time, how is the everyday grinding straight counting AP is doing.

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[Freightman]

$50k is not a lot of bankroll. But I hold a full time job, and I can make that up relatively easily. Plus, I’m not here to complaining a losing strike or expressing my frustration of lacking bankroll.

You’re right - I’ll tell you right now if you have a 10k winning expectation per session, then 50k will go away from variance.

What upset me is we can’t get really good action any more. I felt like, $300x2 is the most amount even some less sweaty casino is willing to tolerate.

Greed kills - artistry prevails - $300x2 is handled pretty easily by most places I play - be relaxed, cool, calm and collected

$50k is not a lot of bankroll. But I hold a full time job, and I can make that up relatively easily.

Easily said until you need to do it

[Goatlife]

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[Raybabyray]

You’re right - I’ll tell you right now if you have a 10k winning expectation per session, then 50k will go away from variance.



Greed kills - artistry prevails - $300x2 is handled pretty easily by most places I play - be relaxed, cool, calm and collected



Easily said until you need to do it

Total respect.

Matter of fact, I had a couple of $8000-$15000 winning session. Also, one $35K losing strike. F**king painful. None of these ended well, but I was able to get out with my chips or money from both commercial and tribals.

You are right, I’m very, no, extremely, greedy, and money hungry. I can’t stand spend so much time counting and only make $35-$50/hr.

It’s not like I don’t care about my $50k. For my scenario, I feel like it is more important that me putting my time into higher EV play and I will put up with higher ROR. Bankroll is just my tool to perform the games. If $50k is ruined, I just come up with some more money.

Right now, even I want to play 20% ROR for $50K, casinos won’t let me put my chips on the table. They kick my ass straight out, as if, like you said, I treat them like my ATM. Very frustrating. I guess this is what I deserve by not observing reality properly.


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