How many cards are used each hand by average when playing Spanish 21?

**aceside** · 07-18-2021, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by James989

I think it can be calculated through simulations.

BTW, the PEEK rules is favor to the dealer, simply because player have lower chance to get autowin for MUTICARD 21, 678 and 777.

Are you sure about this: the dealer peek rule is favor to the dealer? In blackjack, the dealer peek is definitely favor to the player by about 0.2%. That is a lot. Spanish 21 bonus is so rare and I just think it does not have very much effect at all.

**Norm** · 07-18-2021, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

In blackjack, the dealer peek is definitely favor to the player by about 0.2%.

What? Where do you get your stats? So far, you have disagreed with all sources.

**aceside** · 07-18-2021, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

What? Where do you get your stats? So far, you have disagreed with all sources.

I just calculated the peek rule for blackjack 8-deck stand-17. The correct number is 0.1% to the favor of the player. What I said earlier 0.2% is wrong. I can not calculate this for Spanish 21 though.

**Freightman** · 07-18-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

Are you sure about this: the dealer peek rule is favor to the dealer? In blackjack, the dealer peek is definitely favor to the player by about 0.2%. That is a lot. Spanish 21 bonus is so rare and I just think it does not have very much effect at all.

Two shoe games, identical rules, one NHC, the other HC

Can you reason why HC gives a slightly higher to the player.
Now, playing heads up with a fast dealer - can you reason why I prefer NHC

**Freightman** · 07-18-2021, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

Are you sure about this: the dealer peek rule is favor to the dealer? In blackjack, the dealer peek is definitely favor to the player by about 0.2%. That is a lot. Spanish 21 bonus is so rare and I just think it does not have very much effect at all.

Two shoe games, identical rules, one NHC, the other HC

Can you reason why HC gives a slightly higher to the player.
Now, playing heads up with a fast dealer - can you reason why I prefer NHC

**aceside** · 07-18-2021, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Two shoe games, identical rules, one NHC, the other HC

Can you reason why HC gives a slightly higher to the player.
Now, playing heads up with a fast dealer - can you reason why I prefer NHC

Let me give you my understanding. The main reason is when the dealer has a blackjack in NHC games, she can trick you to put more money on the felt. She can not trick you in HC games. Maybe there are other reasons.

**James989** · 07-18-2021, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

Let me give you my understanding. The main reason is when the dealer has a blackjack in NHC games, she can trick you to put more money on the felt. She can not trick you in HC games. Maybe there are other reasons.

In Spanish 21 game, you get pay immediately when you get 21 points(Autowin !), so it does not matter if later dealer have PONTOON(after she reveal her hole card) or not ! Meaning for ALL 21 vs PONTOON, you always win(in normal blackjack, you always lose!) in a Spanish 21 no hole card game, so No hole card rule in Spanish 21 is favor to the player.

**aceside** · 07-19-2021, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by James989

In Spanish 21 game, you get pay immediately when you get 21 points(Autowin !), so it does not matter if later dealer have PONTOON(after she reveal her hole card) or not ! Meaning for ALL 21 vs PONTOON, you always win(in normal blackjack, you always lose!) in a Spanish 21 no hole card game, so No hole card rule in Spanish 21 is favor to the player.

I looked up about this part online and discovered that you are right. This is very interesting because the advantageous amount depends a lot on the rule details.

**Freightman** · 07-18-2021, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

Let me give you my understanding. The main reason is when the dealer has a blackjack in NHC games, she can trick you to put more money on the felt. She can not trick you in HC games. Maybe there are other reasons.

Naturally, your “understanding” is wrong. Further, I can’t help but wonder how a dealer can trick you into putting out more money in a NHC game.

Now - THINK - REASON - ANALYZE
How do HC player. and NHC games differentiate. Why do those differences create a larger advantage for the
HC player. Why does Freightman prefer an NHC game heads up with a fast dealer.

Again - THINK - REASON - ANALYZE

**aceside** · 07-19-2021, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Naturally, your “understanding” is wrong. Further, I can’t help but wonder how a dealer can trick you into putting out more money in a NHC game.

Now - THINK - REASON - ANALYZE
How do HC player. and NHC games differentiate. Why do those differences create a larger advantage for the
HC player. Why does Freightman prefer an NHC game heads up with a fast dealer.

Again - THINK - REASON - ANALYZE

If you have a two-card hand of 6, 5 and the dealer has an upcard of 10, and you doubled down to put more money on the felt, but the dealer gets a Blackjack later in NHC games, and finally you lost both your double down and original bet. This is what I mean a dealer can trick you into putting out more money in a NHC game.

“Why does Freightman prefer an NHC game heads up with a fast dealer.” I have noticed you saying this many times, but haven’t been able to apprehend why.

**Freightman** · 07-19-2021, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

If you have a two-card hand of 6, 5 and the dealer has an upcard of 10, and you doubled down to put more money on the felt, but the dealer gets a Blackjack later in NHC games, and finally you lost both your double down and original bet. This is what I mean a dealer can trick you into putting out more money in a NHC game.

“Why does Freightman prefer an NHC game heads up with a fast dealer.” I have noticed you saying this many times, but haven’t been able to apprehend why.

Hopeless analytics. Oh, NHC is original bets only. You’re thinking ENHC.