Does anyone use the Silver Fox?

[Norm]

Hey, I used to have long telephone conversations with Ralph, liked his style of betting, and liked him. Helluva nice guy. But, his strategy wasn't great. At that time, it was certainly useful and he was a patient teacher from all I've heard. Still have his manual and business card somewhere.

[Cacarulo]

Hey, I used to have long telephone conversations with Ralph, liked his style of betting, and liked him. Helluva nice guy. But, his strategy wasn't great. At that time, it was certainly useful and he was a patient teacher from all I've heard. Still have his manual and business card somewhere.

Basically the problem is, as everyone has rightly mentioned, in the value assigned to the NINE.

SILVER-FOX
IC: 0,6978
BC: 0,9611

HI-LO
IC: 0,7647
BC: 0,9665

Not only insurance is affected but also betting is hurt.

If we look at TKO, where the seven is counted as +1 and the nine as zero, the IC is 0,7881 and the BC is 0,9719.

Sincerely,
Cac

[DSchles]

Here we have some SCOREs for the following rules:

1) 6D-S17-DOA-DAS-SPL1-SPL3-NS, 4.5/6, no burn card, play all and heads up.
2) R22 indices: This is a revision of the traditional C22 indices. The difference is that I replaced 10vT by TTv4.
3) The R22 indices are floored and the decks remaining were calculated to the "exact card" instead of to the "nearest half".

A) KO (RC mode)
1-12: 21.04
1-16: 25.04

B) HI-LO (TC mode)
1-12: 21.15
1-16: 25.00

C) SILVER-FOX (TC mode)
1-12: 20.25
1-16: 23.96

Sincerely,
Cac

As I said.

Don

[aceside]

Basically the problem is, as everyone has rightly mentioned, in the value assigned to the NINE.

SILVER-FOX
IC: 0,6978
BC: 0,9611

HI-LO
IC: 0,7647
BC: 0,9665

Not only insurance is affected but also betting is hurt.

If we look at TKO, where the seven is counted as +1 and the nine as zero, the IC is 0,7881 and the BC is 0,9719.

Sincerely,
Cac

Recently I have been experimenting the so called Secret Monkey Count to beat a 8-deck Spanish-21 stand-17 game. Specifically, the SMC tag numbers for the cards (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, X, Ace) are (+1, +1, +1, +1, +1, 0, 0, 0, -1, -2). It’s convenient to use this balanced counting system; however, making a tag number of -2 for the Ace card is still not enough to match up the EOR of an Ace, because an Ace card should be counted as -3. I am planning to use both the SMC and the ace side count for betting but use the Kat’s HiLo indices for playing. Do you think this is a good approach?

[Cacarulo]

Never heard of the SMC. BTW, do you have EORs for 8D,S17 and Spanish-21?

Sincerely,
Cac

[aceside]

Yes, I know the EORs for the game I consider.

2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	T	A
0.32%	0.42%	0.61%	0.76%	0.43%	0.09%	-0.19%	-0.08%	-0.31%	-0.94%

These EOR values are the EV changes when one specific card is removed from each deck of an 8-deck shoe.

[Cacarulo]

Yes, I know the EORs for the game I consider.

2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	T	A
0.32%	0.42%	0.61%	0.76%	0.43%	0.09%	-0.19%	-0.08%	-0.31%	-0.94%

These EOR values are the EV changes when one specific card is removed from each deck of an 8-deck shoe.

May I ask what is the source of them? Also, I would need to know the mean.
Thanks.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Gronbog]

aceside, you really should have started a new thread instead of hijacking this one.

[aceside]

aceside, you really should have started a new thread instead of hijacking this one.

You are right. But I am a beginner and this topic has been discussed here a few times. A couple of experts haven’t showed up here for a long time. I just hope they could continue on this discussion.

[Zenfighter]

I agree. But counting 7 and 9 as 0.5, we invent the most powerful second level system. It is amazing !

For 6dks, US standard rules:

EBJ
PC = 0.982057
IC = 0.741798

Revere
PC = 0.975802
IC = 0.779864

Zen
PC = 0.959103
IC = 0.849837

“Oh Lord won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends
So oh Lord won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz.”

Janis Joplin

You do have one, already.

Best regards,

Zenfighter

[Gramazeka]

There are interesting points when comparing these systems. With a small spread, Zen will lead and RPC will resist vs EBJ. But at large spreads, everything will fall into place, EBJ will take the lead. Q: Where is the inflection point? 1-20? Maybe 1-40?

[Zenfighter]

There are interesting points when comparing these systems. With a small spread, Zen will lead and RPC will resist vs EBJ. But at large spreads, everything will fall into place, EBJ will take the lead. Q: Where is the inflection point? 1-20? Maybe 1-40?

With a small spread, Zen will lead

Correct. For small to moderate ones, that’s 1-8, 1-12 and 1-16, and US rules,
you can’t beat the Zen count. Sorry having to tell. It´s high IL18’s indices- playing correlations are the main source for this. Here the `hat-trick´ of pseudo-neutralizing the ace pops up the efficiencies, hard for ace-reckoning counts to match.

But is it always so? Let´s change continents and rules. An example:

ENHC rules 6dks, S17, DB9, DAS, SPL3, SPA3

Correlations?

EBJ point count =.982801
Revere point count = .977751
Zen point count = .949469

Here the great volatility of the European ace, is the main reason, having to
watch Zen´s betting correlation going South.
1 to 20 shall suffice. When in doubts, run Monte Carlo simulations. Find your
SCORE.

Always,

Zenfighter

[Gramazeka]

I think this is due to the high IC of the Zen count.