Card Counter's Advantage Tipping Point in Hypothetical Casino Cheating Scenario

[dalmatian]

Not to overstate the obvious, but a casino cannot remove too many cards because patrons would no doubt quickly observe.

On pitch games removal of more than one ace or ten would probably be too risky. Does removal of just one ten or ace destroy the advantage?

On shoe games removal of many more tens and aces would be required due to the increased number of decks than on a pitch game. Again, how many cards would be required to remove the advantage to a card counter? It seems from simply eyeballing it removal of 1 or 2 high cards on a shoe game would not destroy the advantage of a card counter, thought it would lower it appreciably........

[21forme]

a casino cannot remove too many cards because patrons would no doubt quickly observe.

Sure they can. In an 8D shoe game, who is going to notice? And it's not simply removing Ts and As; it's replacing them with 5s and 6s.

I've been on several cruises where this was done. It's a simple matter to count down a number of shoes and when they all end significantly positive, the conclusion is obvious.

Beating a game like this would be like beating 6:5 BJ by counting. Simply not worth it.

[Freightman]

Sure they can. In an 8D shoe game, who is going to notice? And it's not simply removing Ts and As; it's replacing them with 5s and 6s.

I've been on several cruises where this was done. It's a simple matter to count down a number of shoes and when they all end significantly positive, the conclusion is obvious.

Beating a game like this would be like beating 6:5 BJ by counting. Simply not worth it.

Agreed. I suspected 1 store of cheating. I decided to compile data for gaming. I can’t reveal to much, except to say the otherwise so called honest game (they are also employing a deviation not authorized by gaming which doubles house edge on a particular side bet) requires a certain level of approval. That level of approval not being there on my last sojourn, allowed me to rack up a pretty decent win, curtailed by typical countermeasures ordered by the head sniveler on site.

The inference being that the exercise must be authorized, at certain betting levels and above, and for certain known individuals only.