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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Somebody complained my numbers, but trust my numbers. I am correct on this number.
    2.4 is only correct if you’re calculating double deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    2.4 is only correct if you’re calculating double deck.
    I am about to go out and just see this. I am correct on this number. I need to go. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    You'll pardon me, but that's ridiculous and completely inaccurate.



    According to no one in the universe but you. The Hi-Lo insurance index for six decks is 3.0, and it isn't debatable.

    Don
    I have carefully thought about the insurance index again. For this particular hand situation of 16vsA, there are three possible card combinations: (10, 6)vsA, (7,9)vsA, and (8,8)vsA. The insurance indices for these situations are +3.3, +2.8, and +2.8 respectively. However, there are more (10,6)vsA combinations than the other two. Taking all together, we get the insurance index for this particular situation: 3.3*(8/11)+2.8*(3/11)=+3.2.
    I hope this is correct.
    Last edited by aceside; 04-07-2021 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Revised probability

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    Yes, moved to the Disadvantage Forum.
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    With six decks, assuming deck estimation by exact number of cards, the insurance index is 3.0 for rounding or 2.9 by truncation.
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    It's too bad this entire thread had to go into the Disadvantage Forum because there is some good information here. Would it be possible to apply the yellow shading to individual posts within an otherwise useful discussion?

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    Open to other suggestions -- but, can't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    So, I'm getting back into the swing of counting, after taking a hiatus for several years....

    These are the parameters for the game I currently have access to:

    ENHC, DAS (4 hands), full early surrender, S17, dealer BJ takes all, 6 decks hand shuffle.

    I've entered the above game parameters into a couple online strategy calculators to learn the basic strategy for this game.

    I don't have access to any simulation software, so the amount of analysis I can do at present is virtually nil.

    I am curious if anyone might know at what TC I would surrender a hard 13 versus a dealer 10? The online strategy calculators I'm using both state that I should surrender hard 14-16 against dealer 10.

    Given how valuable early surrender seems to be for EV, this sort of circumstance could make the list of my personalized 'illustrious 18" for this game's rules. This is just my intuition, and analysis often counters such ideas.

    Grateful in advance for any thoughts on how to maximize the advantages of early surrender.

    Cheers
    So, Playing here at my little casino...in the middle of nowhere...these are my best estimates for my game play so far:

    My play varies quite a bit from day to day in terms of spread and units, but my best approximation of my play from my notes is:

    Hands played: 1500
    Average units bet: 2
    Winnings to date:125 units

    I think my actual winnings over the house is at about 4% so far.

    I've been able to 'wong' in/out of the game pretty easily. I literally sit there and keep counting the cards and jump back in when advantageous.

    Table limits are really low here, but this is so much fun.

    I've been reading up on shuffle tracking. -not even considering betting off of this right now. but I catch myself watching the shuffle and trying to follow a slug.

    Gawd.... this fun.

    Thanks to Norm and Don for your advice on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    So, Playing here at my little casino...in the middle of nowhere...these are my best estimates for my game play so far:

    My play varies quite a bit from day to day in terms of spread and units, but my best approximation of my play from my notes is:

    Hands played: 1500
    Average units bet: 2
    Winnings to date:125 units

    I think my actual winnings over the house is at about 4% so far.

    I've been able to 'wong' in/out of the game pretty easily. I literally sit there and keep counting the cards and jump back in when advantageous.

    Table limits are really low here, but this is so much fun.

    I've been reading up on shuffle tracking. -not even considering betting off of this right now. but I catch myself watching the shuffle and trying to follow a slug.

    Gawd.... this fun.

    Thanks to Norm and Don for your advice on here.
    Bien ahi. Segui matandolos che.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Bien ahi. Segui matandolos che.

    la dulce vida. lástima que no son dólares.

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